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Wes Vasher · September 21st, 2006, 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomas Smet

If you want to use a consumer camera for professional use well then thats your problem.

I personally don't think there is anything wrong with trying to squeeze professional results out of consumer camcorders. I've been doing it for years with my Digital8 camcorder (sigh). Not professional use, but professional results. I don't shoot video to make money but I want my images to look the best they possibly can for the little bit of money I do spend.

I think most people talking about these low priced HDV cameras are really doing just that, trying to get the best results out of them for their own personal use.

The real problem is that Canon has stuck a sensor in this very inexpensive camcorder that takes amazing pictures. That's the problem! :) But that's a good problem.

Chris Hurd · September 21st, 2006, 12:20 PM

There's nothing wrong with trying to squeeze professional results out of consumer camcorders, as long as you know what you've got to begin with. The point Thomas is making is an entirely separate issue, which is that of unrealistic expectations. It's akin to taking a Volkswagen Beetle off-road, and complaining when it gets stuck in the mud. "This thing doesn't have four wheel drive!" Well, of course it doesn't, that's not what it was meant for. It's pretty much the same thing with these consumer camcorders.

There's nothing wrong with trying to squeeze professional results out of consumer camcorders, but it's foolish to expect to get professional results from them. See the difference there?

Kevin Haupt · September 21st, 2006, 12:32 PM

I've taken Volkswagen Beetles all over the American South Western desert with few problems. The engine weight over the back wheels and the feather light front end are often times just as good as 4 wheel drive. By the way, if you check my IP address, I currently cruise the Sahara Desert in Egypt in my Jeep Grand Cherokee.

Wes Vasher · September 21st, 2006, 12:42 PM

There's a special "stock beetle" class that runs the Baja 1000 each year too. They are about the toughest guys you'll ever meet... and perhaps the craziest.

Chris Hurd · September 21st, 2006, 12:49 PM

Ack... okay let's make it a Ford Focus then. Sorry,

Wes Vasher · September 21st, 2006, 01:11 PM

Chris! Have you seen Rally racing? The Focus is unstoppable! ;)

Chris Hurd · September 21st, 2006, 01:25 PM

But can a stock one go muddin'? I think not!

;-)

Boyd Ostroff · September 21st, 2006, 01:37 PM

Oh no, not another "Ford vs. Chevy" discussion! ;-)

Ken Hodson · September 21st, 2006, 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Craig Peer

I will velcro a patch of acoustical fur over the built in mic to improve sound and cut wind noise and call it good.

I would be very carefull with that. From the reports of the amount of heat that builds up at those mic holes, it is apparent that not only is it and oddly placed mic, but the main vent of this extreemly condensed cam.

Wes Vasher · September 21st, 2006, 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Hurd

But can a stock one go muddin'? I think not!

;-)

"I reject your reality and substitute my own."

http://www.vasher.com/junk/focus.jpg

Craig Peer · September 21st, 2006, 01:56 PM

" I would be very carefull with that. From the reports of the amount of heat that builds up at those mic holes, it is apparent that not only is it and oddly placed mic, but the main vent of this extreemly condensed cam. " -

I'll use it a bit this weekend and see if it gets too hot. I didn't have any problem doing this with my Optura 100mc's.

Bob Grant · September 21st, 2006, 03:22 PM

I haven't tried this with the Canon but every HDV camcorder I've played with does run extremely HOT. We've had a Z1 shutdown by being in the local sun inside a Portabrace cover.

Lee Wilson · September 21st, 2006, 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wes Vasher

"I reject your reality and substitute my own."

http://www.vasher.com/junk/focus.jpg

And I reject yours and subsitute my own.

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Wes Vasher · September 21st, 2006, 07:39 PM

That's not real! That bridge is not there! HA!

You made me laugh out loud for real Lee, hilarious.

Lee Wilson · September 21st, 2006, 08:24 PM

"That's not real! That bridge is not there! HA!

You made me laugh out loud for real Lee, hilarious."

:)

September 21st, 2006, 12:20 PM	#17
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,369 Images: 513	There's nothing wrong with trying to squeeze professional results out of consumer camcorders, as long as you know what you've got to begin with. The point Thomas is making is an entirely separate issue, which is that of unrealistic expectations. It's akin to taking a Volkswagen Beetle off-road, and complaining when it gets stuck in the mud. "This thing doesn't have four wheel drive!" Well, of course it doesn't, that's not what it was meant for. It's pretty much the same thing with these consumer camcorders. There's nothing wrong with trying to squeeze professional results out of consumer camcorders, but it's foolish to expect to get professional results from them. See the difference there? __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

September 21st, 2006, 12:32 PM	#18
Kevin Haupt New Boot Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico Posts: 14	good analogy but the wrong car! I've taken Volkswagen Beetles all over the American South Western desert with few problems. The engine weight over the back wheels and the feather light front end are often times just as good as 4 wheel drive. By the way, if you check my IP address, I currently cruise the Sahara Desert in Egypt in my Jeep Grand Cherokee.

September 21st, 2006, 12:49 PM	#20
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,369 Images: 513	Ack... okay let's make it a Ford Focus then. Sorry, __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

September 21st, 2006, 01:25 PM	#22
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,369 Images: 513	But can a stock one go muddin'? I think not! ;-) __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

September 21st, 2006, 12:42 PM	#19
Wes Vasher Major Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 440	There's a special "stock beetle" class that runs the Baja 1000 each year too. They are about the toughest guys you'll ever meet... and perhaps the craziest.

September 21st, 2006, 01:11 PM	#21
Wes Vasher Major Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 440	Chris! Have you seen Rally racing? The Focus is unstoppable! ;)

September 21st, 2006, 01:37 PM	#23
Boyd Ostroff Wrangler Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mays Landing, NJ Posts: 11,802	Oh no, not another "Ford vs. Chevy" discussion! ;-)

September 21st, 2006, 01:56 PM	#26
Craig Peer Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 72	" I would be very carefull with that. From the reports of the amount of heat that builds up at those mic holes, it is apparent that not only is it and oddly placed mic, but the main vent of this extreemly condensed cam. " - I'll use it a bit this weekend and see if it gets too hot. I didn't have any problem doing this with my Optura 100mc's.

September 21st, 2006, 03:22 PM	#27
Bob Grant Trustee Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 1,570	I haven't tried this with the Canon but every HDV camcorder I've played with does run extremely HOT. We've had a Z1 shutdown by being in the local sun inside a Portabrace cover.

September 21st, 2006, 07:39 PM	#29
Wes Vasher Major Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 440	That's not real! That bridge is not there! HA! You made me laugh out loud for real Lee, hilarious.

September 21st, 2006, 08:24 PM	#30
Lee Wilson Major Player Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: London UK Posts: 376	"That's not real! That bridge is not there! HA! You made me laugh out loud for real Lee, hilarious." :)