Canon's consumer HDV cam: iVIS HV10

[Yi Fong Yu]

i believe a big issue would the crew looking at the director and asking him, where's the camera?

in this case... size will cause issues with the crew questioning how "professional" the director is =).

Originally Posted by Darrell Essex

Alright, who wants to step up to the bar and be the first to make a feature film with one of these cameras?
Wouldn't it blow your mind if someone was able to make a good visual movie with one of these cameras?
Darrell
FIRST CINEMA PICTURES

[Brian Andrews]

Wow, Canon is down to only 5 SD MiniDV models. And three of those are ZRs!

[Chris Hurd]

Well, five single-CCD models (Optura 50, Elura 100 and three ZRs). They also have two three-CCD camcorders, the XL2 and GL2.

[Tony Tibbetts]

Originally Posted by Darrell Essex

Alright, who wants to step up to the bar and be the first to make a feature film with one of these cameras?
Wouldn't it blow your mind if someone was able to make a good visual movie with one of these cameras?
Darrell
FIRST CINEMA PICTURES

I'd be happy to if it had 24f, but it appears that it doesn't. Strange though... It has Digic DVII processor, Plays back 24f, but doesn't do 24f. I'd be cool if it did do 24f They could always rebadge it as "cinema mode" option. Probably just wishful thinking. That would make for an awesome little B-camera for an XL-H1 or any of the XH series.

[Eric Brown]

Yes, yes...YES!!! As the z200 is to my XL2, so shall this little guy be to my soon to be had A1. Very excited.

[Joe Carney]

Only has USB2, but claims to support 1394 protocol for transferring video. Does this mean it comes with special software to emulate firewire?

[Yi Fong Yu]

i'm a bit confused on CMOS vs. CCD.

does 1 CMOS=3CCD's? or does it mean it's an equivalent? if so, why bother with 3 CMOS?

[Wes Vasher]

There's a FireWire 4 pinner on the front. The Canon site just has some confusing text.

[Pierre Barberis]

wrong, Chris Hurd explained - and showed pics - that the HV10 has both USB2 and Firewire 400 :
Visit http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=72816

[Brent Ethington]

Originally Posted by Stu Holmes

I think it actually scales that down to 1440x1080 before writing to tape. HDV can't be recorded as 1920x1080.

knowing HDV, we'd assume that. except, no where on the Canon web site does it even reference 1440x1080 - it emphasizes full resolution ("The HV10's CMOS sensor reproduces high-resolution images at 1920 x 1080 resolution with full HD information in video images"). so, either the marketing info is inaccurate (and not entirely truthful), or they are writing 1920x1080 to tape - which, would be very nice indeed... :-)

hopefully canon will clarify or confirm

[John McManimie]

I purchased a HDR-HC1 several months back because I was tired of waiting for Canon to offer a less expensive HDV camcorder. I was hoping that they would offer a single CMOS or CCD model like the Optura Xi but with HDV and 24f (or at least 30f). I think that those of us who own the HC1 can still be happy with our purchases. I'll just stick with the HC1 for now until they come out with something significantly better (in the same price range) or until I start making more money. :-)

As far as I can see, the new Canon HV10 does have some advantages over the Sony HDR-HC1:

- Optical image stabilization
- Instant AF system
- Noise reduction built into the CMOS chip
- Higher resolution LCD (210K pixel vs. 123K pixel)
- Adjustable zoom speed
- Composite video IN (actually not a big deal to me)
- RGB color and DIGIC DV II digital signal processor (Nobody does color as well as Canon --- my opinion)
*- Playback for 24F & 30F Frame Mode and four-channel audio (only great if you own a higher end Canon)
- It is a Canon! (in my opinion it is the better company)


But, I still see advantages of the Sony HDR-HC1 over the new Canon HV10:

- Form factor and weight (my opinion)
- Higher resolution viewfinder (252K pixel vs. 123K pixel)
- Shutter speeds (1/4-1/10,000 vs. 1/8-1/2000)
- Microphone jack
- Headphone jack
- Spot meter and Spot focus
- Focus/zoom ring
- Shoe (admittedly it requires an add-on to be a true cold-shoe)
- *Cinema effect (most might argue that this not an advantage and that it is crap, but at least it offers an option for a different shooting mode from 60i)
- Dual mode (does the HV10 offer a DV/HDV recording choice?)

[Chris Hurd]

Originally Posted by Yi Fong Yu

does 1 CMOS=3CCD's?

It does if it has an RGB color filter (and yes the HV10 has an RGB color filter).

Any single-chip camcorder with an RGB color filter will come very close to the color accuracy of a 3CCD camcorder. In fact, it will beat a 3CCD if the processing is superior. For example, take the old 3CCD Canon GL1 and put it up against the recent 1CCD Canon Optura 600. The Optura will have better color reproduction than the GL1, because its RGB color filter puts it in the ballpark of the 3CCD look, and then its Digic DV processor gives it an advantage over the older processor in the GL1.

Color accuracy is not just in the image sensors but also their color filters *and* their DSPs (digital signal processors). See http://www.dvinfo.net/canonoptura/ar...ra70-2.php#rgb for some more details.

Remember also that your better digital still cameras (Canon, Nikon etc.) are all single-chip image sensors with RGB color filters. Think about how good those photos look and you get an idea of the advantages of single-chip video camcorders with RGB, like the HV10 and the Optura series.

[Krystian Ramlogan]

Wow. I'm thinking this is really a trifecta by Canon.

I'm suitably impressed. Wonder if Panasonic is erasing their drawing board about now?

Go Canon. I'm definitely gonna get one of these as well...hmm, gonna have to do some saving for the A1 and this!!

[Yi Fong Yu]

thx chris. v. interesting technology =).

[Dan Keaton]

Do we know if the tape transport in the HV-10 is the same as in the XH A1 and XH G1?

Is the tape transport in the XH A1 and XH G1 the same as in the XL H1?

I find it amazing that we have all of these choices.