New: Canon VIXIA consumer HD camcorders for 2009

Chris Hurd · March 4th, 2009, 10:25 AM

My understanding was later this month or early April... will try to get a firm answer on this from CUSA.

Michael Jones · March 5th, 2009, 07:48 PM

Any reason why the 'new' Canon Legria HF20 has never been mentioned on this site?

LEGRIA HF20

RRP $1,699.00 (Aus dollars).

It's meant to be a new model as well, unless its only an Aussie model and US doesn;t have it?

Lou Bruno · March 6th, 2009, 08:35 AM

CANON USA HQ, here on Long Island, New York advise APRIL.

Dealers have received the packets but no pricing yet.

Michael Murie · March 6th, 2009, 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Jones

Any reason why the 'new' Canon Legria HF20 has never been mentioned on this site?

LEGRIA HF20

RRP $1,699.00 (Aus dollars).

It's meant to be a new model as well, unless its only an Aussie model and US doesn;t have it?

The HF20/HF100 were definitely mentioned, but I think they are basically seen as a small update of the HF10/HF100.....and the HFS10 got all the limelight because it's a much bigger step forward (i.e. something new)

Michael Jones · March 7th, 2009, 08:00 PM

Ah yeah... HF10/HF100 and HF20 are pretty similar, the 20 will be just a 2009 model/smaller/lighter and different sensor and higher pixel count...

I'm wondering if its really worth spending an extra $700/800 to go for the HF S10 when it comes out or stick with the HF20...

Hopefully by the end of March or Early April they will start doing full reviews of all the new camcorders and ill make a decision then..

Apparently HF S10 although being the flagship doesn't perform as well in low light as the other cheaper models... so we will see as id prefer a camera that performs better in low light

Chris Hurd · March 7th, 2009, 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Jones

Apparently HF S10 although being the flagship doesn't perform as well in low light as the other cheaper models...

It's important for you to understand why this is.

The HF S series has an 8mp image sensor. The less expensive HF series has a 3mp image sensor. As resolution goes up, sensitivity goes down. The higher the pixel count, the smaller those pixels are and therefore the less light they gather. Sensitivity and resolution are mutually exclusive... as one goes up, the other goes down. If low light sensitivity is ultimately most important for you, then you'll want the lowest res chips you can find. 3mp chips are more sensitive to low light than 8mp.

Really nice to see yet another fella from WA, by the way.

Buba Kastorski · March 8th, 2009, 01:17 AM

Chris, I'm sure you're right about 3mp imager being more sensitive in low light than 8mp, but low light sensitivity of HF S10 is just outstanding,
HF S10 low light 2 on Vimeo
I used to have HV10/20/30, HC9 and none of them comes even close to it,
I really like it, it has all, and even more that i wanted from backup/vacation camera.

Chris Hurd · March 8th, 2009, 07:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buba Kastorski

Chris, I'm sure you're right about 3mp imager being more sensitive in low light than 8mp, but low light sensitivity of HF S10 is just outstanding
...

Oh, fully agreed. I was just breaking it down into simple terms is all. Wasn't to say it's bad; more to say "might not be as good as, because..." But the proof is in the pudding, as your example shows. Thanks.

Dan Brockett · March 8th, 2009, 11:07 AM

Buba:

How did you get a hold of an HFS10? I thought that they weren't available until April?

Dan

Chris Hurd · March 8th, 2009, 11:16 AM

Shipping now is what Canon USA told me at HD Expo last week in Hollywood.

See also http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/avchd-for...ck-images.html

G. Lee Gordon · May 5th, 2009, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Tripp Woelfel

There seems to be some conflicting info regarding 24 fps recording on the HV40. The announcement indicates that it's real 24f, like the XH series. My HV30 does 24p within a 60i wrapper.

This subject has been brought up in other threads, but, what's the difference as long as it's 24p? Is there a difference in quality? If this has been brought up before can you please guide me to the thread. Thx.

Lawrence Bansbach · May 5th, 2009, 11:46 AM

Well, if you want all bandwidth devoted to the real frames and not to synthetic frames created to pad 24 fps out to 30 fps, then native 1080p24 would be best, I guess. Or you could use a lower data rate (but effectively the same as with 24Pfs) and have more recording time per unit of storage.

Yi Fong Yu · May 5th, 2009, 01:33 PM

the other res is still 1440 correct? in another words 1440x1080p24?

Chris Hurd · May 5th, 2009, 02:36 PM

If you're talking about the HV40, yes -- it must be 1440 or it wouldn't be HDV (same as HDCAM).

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Michael Jones New Boot Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 11	Any reason why the 'new' Canon Legria HF20 has never been mentioned on this site? LEGRIA HF20 RRP $1,699.00 (Aus dollars). It's meant to be a new model as well, unless its only an Aussie model and US doesn;t have it?

March 7th, 2009, 08:00 PM	#95
Michael Jones New Boot Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 11	Ah yeah... HF10/HF100 and HF20 are pretty similar, the 20 will be just a 2009 model/smaller/lighter and different sensor and higher pixel count... I'm wondering if its really worth spending an extra $700/800 to go for the HF S10 when it comes out or stick with the HF20... Hopefully by the end of March or Early April they will start doing full reviews of all the new camcorders and ill make a decision then.. Apparently HF S10 although being the flagship doesn't perform as well in low light as the other cheaper models... so we will see as id prefer a camera that performs better in low light

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Dan Brockett Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Los Angeles, California Posts: 2,109	Buba: How did you get a hold of an HFS10? I thought that they weren't available until April? Dan

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Lawrence Bansbach Major Player Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 295	Well, if you want all bandwidth devoted to the real frames and not to synthetic frames created to pad 24 fps out to 30 fps, then native 1080p24 would be best, I guess. Or you could use a lower data rate (but effectively the same as with 24Pfs) and have more recording time per unit of storage.

May 5th, 2009, 02:36 PM	#104
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