Should I get cheap TG1 or HF100? at DVinfo.net

Darryl Matthews · October 29th, 2008, 12:04 PM

I am learning to edit using premiere and after effects. I want to get a flash camcorder to learn to shoot, edit and burn. I can get a Sony TG1 new for $650 CAN or pay $250+ more for an HF100. I like the features on the canon but is it worth the extra coin? The image stabilization on the sony interests me as I dont have a tripod. I can get any sony gear at cost as well but dont want to spend over $1000.

Thanks in advance.

Lorenzo Asso · October 29th, 2008, 12:11 PM

remember that TG1 has a sensor of 1/5...

Dave Blackhurst · October 29th, 2008, 10:22 PM

Um, if you can get any Sony gear at cost, what about the CX12 or SR11/12?? The TG1 is a cute little feller, but small sensor and lack of ability to add lenses or anything else really... would lead me to suggest a slightly more versatile solution.

The CX12 is around the same price as the Canon list, but you're talking cost... I'd take that deal <wink>. The SR11 is higher list, but again, "cost" should be cheaper, they can be had second hand in good shape for $700... and you get a VF and bigger screen plus a HDD for longer recording times. I think both have similar menu systems (meaning severely limited) to the TG1, but if you're looking at the TG1, these should fit the bill, and the image quality is about as good as you can get (not trying to start any arguments, but I just don't like the Canon "look" as well as the current Sonys... though my last Canon was the HV20 and the HF series sure look pretty good!).

Again, if you have an inside "cost" deal, look at the other Sonys before you jump.

And as far as "image stabilization", you'll find HD in ANY flavor requires a steady hand or some form of support assistance - it's not forgiving of wobblies, much to my consternation, I never knew how wobbly I was until I shot HD...

Steve Nunez · October 31st, 2008, 07:51 PM

The TG1 produces very nice macro video and has a tendency to underexpose which I find better than overexposing- very nice camera!
The HF100 is pretty much the BEST AVCHD cam on the market aside from the Panasonic HMC150 (and some might argue the Sony SR's)....all nice cams, you'll be happy either way.

(The Sony is MUCH smaller- this might be either a plus or minus for you- decide!)

Mike Gunter · November 1st, 2008, 06:57 AM

Hi,

I have a Panasonic HVX200 (terrific camera - I will get an HMC150 this month, too), and owned a TRV900, PD150, VX2000, and a slew of others and shoot and teach for a living.

The HF100 is one of the fun-est cameras I've ever had. I highly recommend it.

Dave Blackhurst · November 2nd, 2008, 07:11 PM

Same goes for the CX12 ("fun-est"!) - even the SR11 is pretty cool, but that's where these small form factor cams are so sweet - killer video that sticks in your pocket, BIG FUN!

Sure the HMC150 is cool and all <jealous! wink>, but try putting it in your pocket and taking it with you everywhere so you can shoot whenever, wherever...

Steve Nunez · November 3rd, 2008, 03:56 PM

Note- the TG1 is the BEST HD cam for digiscoping- none better!
I have a HF100 and really like it but think I am picking up a TG-1 as a digiscope camera- they just can't be beat! You'd need a tripod though.

Steve Nunez · December 2nd, 2008, 08:22 PM

I now own both, and while the HF's progressive video is outstanding, the TG-1 isn't bad at all....if it were progressive it would be awesome!!!!!

Randy Rogers · December 4th, 2008, 02:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Nunez

Note- the TG1 is the BEST HD cam for digiscoping

Sorry for the stupid question - but what do you mean by digiscoping as it relates to this cam? Thanks - Randy

Steve Nunez · December 5th, 2008, 06:49 PM

Digiscoping is the technique of attaching a camcorder to a spotting scope for ultra-telephoto videography.
Typically camcorders with small lenses do better as they don't vignette as do camcorders with larger front lenses.
The TG-1 has a relatively small lens which allows it to be used with digiscopes.

Rex Hermogino · December 11th, 2008, 12:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Blackhurst

Same goes for the CX12 ("fun-est"!) - even the SR11 is pretty cool, but that's where these small form factor cams are so sweet - killer video that sticks in your pocket, BIG FUN!

Sure the HMC150 is cool and all <jealous! wink>, but try putting it in your pocket and taking it with you everywhere so you can shoot whenever, wherever...

I can associate with your post 100%, Dave. I'm taking a trip to Europe (first time) this month (brrr!!!) and although the Sony FX7 produces the best quality vs my new Sony CX12, I'm taking the CX12 for portability and convenience. Yes, try and put the FX7 in my pocket...won't work. However, I used my FX7 for a major event where hundreds of people gathered to display a collective image that is best captured from a flatbed truck where only news and the media was welcomed to. I'm an amateur. With my big FX7, I was able to blend in with the rest of the "Press" and took advantage of the situation. I was with the big boys! I got my shot ;)

So, Europe, here I come...with my CX12!

Bruce Foreman · December 11th, 2008, 07:41 PM

Daryll,

Check out the TG1 reviews on amazon. It's liked for it's portability and does pretty good video but the proprietary memory card costs more and some say low light is very grainy.

I have a pair of HF100's and have had fair to good luck in low light (but I like to bring my own light when I can) and if you get ambitious enough to try for good audio too, the HF100 has the external mic input and the headphone jack for monitoring.

I'd spend the extra money, myself. Although to have something really pocket size has me looking at the Sanyo product now and then.

Bill Pryor · December 11th, 2008, 08:21 PM

There's always the Flip Mino HD if you really want pocket size. It's totally point-and-shoot--you can't do anything else at all with it. 1280 X 720. It would be nice to always have a camera in your pocket, limited though it is.

Martyn Hull · December 12th, 2008, 04:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rex Hermogino

I can associate with your post 100%, Dave. I'm taking a trip to Europe (first time) this month (brrr!!!) and although the Sony FX7 produces the best quality vs my new Sony CX12, I'm taking the CX12 for portability and convenience. Yes, try and put the FX7 in my pocket...won't work. However, I used my FX7 for a major event where hundreds of people gathered to display a collective image that is best captured from a flatbed truck where only news and the media was welcomed to. I'm an amateur. With my big FX7, I was able to blend in with the rest of the "Press" and took advantage of the situation. I was with the big boys! I got my shot ;)

So, Europe, here I come...with my CX12!

A bit surprised about your cx12 i thought they were the same as the sr 12,i prefer the images i get from my sr 12 to my fx 7,in fact since i bought mine 6 months ago 90% of my filming has been with it,its just long distance nature that the fx 7 wins hands down.

Dave Blackhurst · December 12th, 2008, 03:27 PM

CX12 and SR11/12 are supposedly the same sensor chain - there are some subtle software/firmare tweaks, but the look nearly identical in practical use.

I think we WANT the FX7 to be better, it has better optics, and more manual control, but the sensor and firmware are a year or two older than the current consumer cams. I wish they had updated the re-release with the Exmor/Bionz enhancements. My "dream" camera would have MANY features of the FX7, no doubt, and I was always happy with the output.

BUT...
The small size makes the consumer cams the "go to" choice for so many situations (and it's the footage you shoot that you "compare" with, not the stuff you miss because your big cam is at home in the closet), and despite the lack of any advanced manual controls, I feel like in side by side comparisons the current AVCHD beats HDV in many respects, and it's hard to argue with the results.

October 29th, 2008, 12:04 PM	#1
Darryl Matthews Tourist Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 1	Should I get cheap TG1 or HF100? I am learning to edit using premiere and after effects. I want to get a flash camcorder to learn to shoot, edit and burn. I can get a Sony TG1 new for $650 CAN or pay $250+ more for an HF100. I like the features on the canon but is it worth the extra coin? The image stabilization on the sony interests me as I dont have a tripod. I can get any sony gear at cost as well but dont want to spend over $1000. Thanks in advance.

October 31st, 2008, 07:51 PM	#4
Steve Nunez Trustee Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Pembroke Pines, Florida Posts: 1,418	The TG1 produces very nice macro video and has a tendency to underexpose which I find better than overexposing- very nice camera! The HF100 is pretty much the BEST AVCHD cam on the market aside from the Panasonic HMC150 (and some might argue the Sony SR's)....all nice cams, you'll be happy either way. (The Sony is MUCH smaller- this might be either a plus or minus for you- decide!) __________________ Steve Nunez-New York City www.stevenunez.com

November 1st, 2008, 06:57 AM	#5
Mike Gunter Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Kalispell, Montana Posts: 164	Hi, I have a Panasonic HVX200 (terrific camera - I will get an HMC150 this month, too), and owned a TRV900, PD150, VX2000, and a slew of others and shoot and teach for a living. The HF100 is one of the fun-est cameras I've ever had. I *highly recommend it.* __________________ Mike Gunter VideoTidbits.com

November 3rd, 2008, 03:56 PM	#7
Steve Nunez Trustee Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Pembroke Pines, Florida Posts: 1,418	Note- the TG1 is the BEST HD cam for digiscoping- none better! I have a HF100 and really like it but think I am picking up a TG-1 as a digiscope camera- they just can't be beat! You'd need a tripod though. __________________ Steve Nunez-New York City www.stevenunez.com

December 2nd, 2008, 08:22 PM	#8
Steve Nunez Trustee Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Pembroke Pines, Florida Posts: 1,418	I now own both, and while the HF's progressive video is outstanding, the TG-1 isn't bad at all....if it were progressive it would be awesome!!!!! __________________ Steve Nunez-New York City www.stevenunez.com

October 29th, 2008, 12:11 PM	#2
Lorenzo Asso Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Italy Posts: 47	remember that TG1 has a sensor of 1/5...

October 29th, 2008, 10:22 PM	#3
Dave Blackhurst Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Apple Valley CA Posts: 4,874	Um, if you can get any Sony gear at cost, what about the CX12 or SR11/12?? The TG1 is a cute little feller, but small sensor and lack of ability to add lenses or anything else really... would lead me to suggest a slightly more versatile solution. The CX12 is around the same price as the Canon list, but you're talking cost... I'd take that deal <wink>. The SR11 is higher list, but again, "cost" should be cheaper, they can be had second hand in good shape for $700... and you get a VF and bigger screen plus a HDD for longer recording times. I think both have similar menu systems (meaning severely limited) to the TG1, but if you're looking at the TG1, these should fit the bill, and the image quality is about as good as you can get (not trying to start any arguments, but I just don't like the Canon "look" as well as the current Sonys... though my last Canon was the HV20 and the HF series sure look pretty good!). Again, if you have an inside "cost" deal, look at the other Sonys before you jump. And as far as "image stabilization", you'll find HD in ANY flavor requires a steady hand or some form of support assistance - it's not forgiving of wobblies, much to my consternation, I never knew how wobbly I was until I shot HD...

November 2nd, 2008, 07:11 PM	#6
Dave Blackhurst Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Apple Valley CA Posts: 4,874	Same goes for the CX12 ("fun-est"!) - even the SR11 is pretty cool, but that's where these small form factor cams are so sweet - killer video that sticks in your pocket, BIG FUN! Sure the HMC150 is cool and all <jealous! wink>, but try putting it in your pocket and taking it with you everywhere so you can shoot whenever, wherever...

December 5th, 2008, 06:49 PM	#10
Steve Nunez Trustee Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Pembroke Pines, Florida Posts: 1,418	Digiscoping is the technique of attaching a camcorder to a spotting scope for ultra-telephoto videography. Typically camcorders with small lenses do better as they don't vignette as do camcorders with larger front lenses. The TG-1 has a relatively small lens which allows it to be used with digiscopes. __________________ Steve Nunez-New York City www.stevenunez.com

December 11th, 2008, 07:41 PM	#12
Bruce Foreman Trustee Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: San Angelo Texas Posts: 1,518	Daryll, Check out the TG1 reviews on amazon. It's liked for it's portability and does pretty good video but the proprietary memory card costs more and some say low light is very grainy. I have a pair of HF100's and have had fair to good luck in low light (but I like to bring my own light when I can) and if you get ambitious enough to try for good audio too, the HF100 has the external mic input and the headphone jack for monitoring. I'd spend the extra money, myself. Although to have something really pocket size has me looking at the Sanyo product now and then.

December 11th, 2008, 08:21 PM	#13
Bill Pryor Contributor Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 4,449	There's always the Flip Mino HD if you really want pocket size. It's totally point-and-shoot--you can't do anything else at all with it. 1280 X 720. It would be nice to always have a camera in your pocket, limited though it is.

December 12th, 2008, 03:27 PM	#15
Dave Blackhurst Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Apple Valley CA Posts: 4,874	CX12 and SR11/12 are supposedly the same sensor chain - there are some subtle software/firmare tweaks, but the look nearly identical in practical use. I think we WANT the FX7 to be better, it has better optics, and more manual control, but the sensor and firmware are a year or two older than the current consumer cams. I wish they had updated the re-release with the Exmor/Bionz enhancements. My "dream" camera would have MANY features of the FX7, no doubt, and I was always happy with the output. BUT... The small size makes the consumer cams the "go to" choice for so many situations (and it's the footage you shoot that you "compare" with, not the stuff you miss because your big cam is at home in the closet), and despite the lack of any advanced manual controls, I feel like in side by side comparisons the current AVCHD beats HDV in many respects, and it's hard to argue with the results.