HV 20 Price for Aussies.. at DVinfo.net

Mike Renwick · January 29th, 2008, 09:38 PM

Just thought that you may be interested...$1315 with a tax invoice and legit warranty...

http://www.ryda.com.au/Canon-HV20-HD...ock-p/hv20.htm

Glenn Thomas · February 1st, 2008, 12:39 AM

Woah, and down to $1,295.88 now. It's worth buying a spare!

Daymon Hoffman · February 3rd, 2008, 03:40 AM

Hmm its kind of sad that we are excited its "down to" an "amazing" $1300.

Currently can be had for $699.00 USD = $773.828 AUD. Yep, someone is making a ship load of cash. And its really starting to get on my nerves.

Glenn Thomas · February 3rd, 2008, 07:43 AM

Never knew they were that cheap in the US. But I guess they pay the price having to deal with 24P issues.

Let's say $1180 for the Australian version once we claim back the GST (if eligible to do so).

Leopold Hamulczyk · February 4th, 2008, 03:07 AM

B&H in the US stock the PAL version for $1199.95 and the NTSC version for $699.95. Why the price difference?

Paul Mailath · February 4th, 2008, 03:55 AM

vowels are very expensive - Just as well they never called our system PAAL :-)

It's actually a very good question - and it gets on my nerves as well

Tom Sullivan · February 4th, 2008, 01:58 PM

I am new to the forum and have just gotten back into video so if I am wrong please someone correct me.

1: What are you using the camera for play back directly or to a tv ?

You could just use region free I think. I had thought most tv's were capable of both ntsc and pal anyway not sure. Region free dvd players are not that expensive. In this case also you could just use the dvi cable which would not have anything to do with pal as far as I know

2: Wil you be editing on pc?

Then you could just convert the the footage you have or take. I have talked to people who say they have done it with very little Quality loss.

My question to anyone though with the HV being digital. Why does PAL or NTSC matter anymore ? They are analog formats right? Who doing analog anymore? Here in the US we are even eliminating analog tv finally. I do not know maybe I am missing something.

I would think just go NTSC the only things I can think of is the power aspect, repairs, and warranty of the camera being a issue

good luck

Leopold Hamulczyk · February 4th, 2008, 02:48 PM

Region-free is a DVD thing, not a video thing. Yes, most TV's here accept NTSC signals, but what about HD TV's? Do they accept 60i signals? Anyone with a HDTV in PAL land care to comment?

I bought the NTSC version of the HG10 because most of my shooting will be for SD DVD and some of it will go to non-PAL countries.

Murray Christian · February 7th, 2008, 04:31 AM

Mine cost me $1400 ish in early January, but I had to get it shipped. Local dealers only told me it was crap and tape was crap and I should get one of the HDD ones. When I tried to discuss the awards it won and reported shortcomings of AVCHD in hard disk camcorders they said they're all the same but tried to sell me a more prosumer tape model for five grand (which I said I couldn't afford in the first place). *sigh* And they wonder why people shop online (they generally wanted $1600 to get one in. Yeah I'd pay an extra 200 bucks for that sort of brilliant salesmanship)
I'd guess the US price for the PAL model is a sign that they had to import it.
Our price versus the US price is just basic protection. If currency exchange rate was the only thing that mattered even a slight twitch in the market would decimate local retailers who bought at a different rate a month earlier.

PAL and NTSC are still completely different systems. In digital and HD it seems that frame sizes are becoming the same (unlike in SD) but they still use different bandwidths and frame rates and field order in the interlacing, I'm pretty sure, even though interlaced video might be fading (dunno if the digital broadcast world has made up its mind yet).
In terms of this camera I find 25fps a lot easier to deal with than 24 would be for most finishes I'm likely to make at home. I bought it for the progressive scan HD footage and it being 25 already means there's one less step to take that might mess things up on the way in to edit or out to the finish.
If you've got to make NTSC stuff then starting with NTSC video is pretty necessary. Converting from PAL can be time consuming and brutal, depending on your gear. This was a big issue on DVD because, unlike here where every DVD player these days is dual standard just because it's easier at the factory, strictly NTSC players were mostly all there was in the US until recently (I think). Anyone who's tried to get a cheapo film into US festivals in the last few years might have noticed that. But the impression I get is it's all starting to change.

Daymon Hoffman · February 10th, 2008, 06:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Mailath

vowels are very expensive - Just as well they never called our system PAAL :-)

It's actually a very good question - and it gets on my nerves as well

hehe you made me laugh on a subject that REALLY doesnt make me happy. nice job :P

i think the answer is simple. Highway Robbery. I really think its that simple. While corporations can get away with price gouging, they will. I'd say they know the time is coming where they wont be able to hide from it now being a Global Market and being unable to put huge premiums on top of prices due to the "Regional Market". What a load!

Thanks to RED we're one step closer to a reasonably priced global price. :)

January 29th, 2008, 09:38 PM	#1
Mike Renwick Tourist Join Date: May 2007 Location: Melbourne Australia Posts: 1	HV 20 Price for Aussies.. Just thought that you may be interested...$1315 with a tax invoice and legit warranty... http://www.ryda.com.au/Canon-HV20-HD...ock-p/hv20.htm

February 1st, 2008, 12:39 AM	#2
Glenn Thomas Major Player Join Date: May 2005 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 320	Woah, and down to $1,295.88 now. It's worth buying a spare! __________________ Personal Website: http://www.avene.org

February 3rd, 2008, 03:40 AM	#3
Daymon Hoffman Major Player Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 267	Hmm its kind of sad that we are excited its "down to" an "amazing" $1300. Currently can be had for $699.00 USD = $773.828 AUD. Yep, someone is making a ship load of cash. And its really starting to get on my nerves. __________________ Welcome... to the real world!

February 3rd, 2008, 07:43 AM	#4
Glenn Thomas Major Player Join Date: May 2005 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 320	Never knew they were that cheap in the US. But I guess they pay the price having to deal with 24P issues. Let's say $1180 for the Australian version once we claim back the GST (if eligible to do so). __________________ Personal Website: http://www.avene.org

February 4th, 2008, 03:55 AM	#6
Paul Mailath Trustee Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Central Coast - NSW, Australia Posts: 1,606	vowels are very expensive - Just as well they never called our system PAAL :-) It's actually a very good question - and it gets on my nerves as well __________________ Cheers - Paul M. www.perbenyik.com

February 4th, 2008, 03:07 AM	#5
Leopold Hamulczyk New Boot Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Bairnsdale, Vic (Australia) Posts: 21	B&H in the US stock the PAL version for $1199.95 and the NTSC version for $699.95. Why the price difference?

February 4th, 2008, 01:58 PM	#7
Tom Sullivan New Boot Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Middlefield CT Posts: 19	I am new to the forum and have just gotten back into video so if I am wrong please someone correct me. 1: What are you using the camera for play back directly or to a tv ? You could just use region free I think. I had thought most tv's were capable of both ntsc and pal anyway not sure. Region free dvd players are not that expensive. In this case also you could just use the dvi cable which would not have anything to do with pal as far as I know 2: Wil you be editing on pc? Then you could just convert the the footage you have or take. I have talked to people who say they have done it with very little Quality loss. My question to anyone though with the HV being digital. Why does PAL or NTSC matter anymore ? They are analog formats right? Who doing analog anymore? Here in the US we are even eliminating analog tv finally. I do not know maybe I am missing something. I would think just go NTSC the only things I can think of is the power aspect, repairs, and warranty of the camera being a issue good luck

February 4th, 2008, 02:48 PM	#8
Leopold Hamulczyk New Boot Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Bairnsdale, Vic (Australia) Posts: 21	Region-free is a DVD thing, not a video thing. Yes, most TV's here accept NTSC signals, but what about HD TV's? Do they accept 60i signals? Anyone with a HDTV in PAL land care to comment? I bought the NTSC version of the HG10 because most of my shooting will be for SD DVD and some of it will go to non-PAL countries.

February 7th, 2008, 04:31 AM	#9
Murray Christian Major Player Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Perth, Australia Posts: 240	Mine cost me $1400 ish in early January, but I had to get it shipped. Local dealers only told me it was crap and tape was crap and I should get one of the HDD ones. When I tried to discuss the awards it won and reported shortcomings of AVCHD in hard disk camcorders they said they're all the same but tried to sell me a more prosumer tape model for five grand (which I said I couldn't afford in the first place). sigh And they wonder why people shop online (they generally wanted $1600 to get one in. Yeah I'd pay an extra 200 bucks for that sort of brilliant salesmanship) I'd guess the US price for the PAL model is a sign that they had to import it. Our price versus the US price is just basic protection. If currency exchange rate was the only thing that mattered even a slight twitch in the market would decimate local retailers who bought at a different rate a month earlier. PAL and NTSC are still completely different systems. In digital and HD it seems that frame sizes are becoming the same (unlike in SD) but they still use different bandwidths and frame rates and field order in the interlacing, I'm pretty sure, even though interlaced video might be fading (dunno if the digital broadcast world has made up its mind yet). In terms of this camera I find 25fps a lot easier to deal with than 24 would be for most finishes I'm likely to make at home. I bought it for the progressive scan HD footage and it being 25 already means there's one less step to take that might mess things up on the way in to edit or out to the finish. If you've got to make NTSC stuff then starting with NTSC video is pretty necessary. Converting from PAL can be time consuming and brutal, depending on your gear. This was a big issue on DVD because, unlike here where every DVD player these days is dual standard just because it's easier at the factory, strictly NTSC players were mostly all there was in the US until recently (I think). Anyone who's tried to get a cheapo film into US festivals in the last few years might have noticed that. But the impression I get is it's all starting to change.