Latest on 24p conversion for HV20 at DVinfo.net

James Blunt · January 26th, 2008, 08:55 AM

I have done it successfully with VirtualDubMPEG and the Cineform NEO-HDV trial. I haven't looked at it in a while though and was wondering if anyone has released anything that is FREE and AUTOMATIC? The virtualdub process is a pain to do for every clip and loses quality, and the Cineform is easy but isn't free and uses a proprietary format.

I have a Windows XP system and a Mac OSX Tiger system. Is there any tool on either system that will go straight from the camcorder to 24p files?

Since NEO-HDV is $250, getting a copy of Vista looks to be about the most flexible way to go since Windows Movie Maker can handle the conversion I've read.

Tom Alexander · January 26th, 2008, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by James Blunt

Since NEO-HDV is $250, getting a copy of Vista looks to be about the most flexible way to go since Windows Movie Maker can handle the conversion I've read.

Where did you read this about Windows Movie Maker? Just curious, as I have Vista on one of my computers and would like to follow up on it.

I have been trying to keep up on this as well, but I have found no free, fully automatic solution. HV20pulldown.exe has been working well for me on my XP computer, but I can't seem to get past error messages in Vista.

TMPGEnc 4.0 XPress will remove the pulldown, but it costs $99. I may invest in it, as I can't justify Cineform when this is just a hobby for me.

Thomas Barthle Jr. · January 26th, 2008, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Alexander

TMPGEnc 4.0 XPress will remove the pulldown, but it costs $99. I may invest in it, as I can't justify Cineform when this is just a hobby for me.

This is what I recommend. Can batch remove pulldown and output to any format. It doesn't capture from tape, however. Plus, when you are done editing in your NLE, render at the highest resolution from the timeline and use this as your master forever. Then, any time you need to put it on DVD, internet, Blu ray, etc, just pull the master in TMPGEnc to down rez. It has an excellent frame resize function that DOES NOT leave those horrible jaggies on straight lines like down rezzing in Vegas. You even have color correcting tools in it to make it more contrasty. There are a bunch of options in this program. Google it.

Thomas

Eugenia Loli-Queru · January 26th, 2008, 05:01 PM

Check the two free methods here:
http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/0...-24p-pulldown/
The first method is really fast after the initial setup.

James Blunt · January 26th, 2008, 05:57 PM

I read it in the HV20 Need to Know post that is stickied...

"Windows Movie Maker (Vista Home Premium) appears to handle the extraction nicely (dvr-ms format) and conveniently blends the frames into a progressive image when displayed in Windows Media Center. For those viewing raw m2t you can use VLC player to see the image without interlace. No choice for Media Player Classic though. Windows Media Player won't open m2t."

After reading this again though it just sounds as though Movie Maker can copy the files in such a way that they can be viewed correctly in Media Center which doesn't mean its doing any conversion to 24p.

James Blunt · January 26th, 2008, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Eugenia Loli-Queru

Check the two free methods here:
http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/0...-24p-pulldown/
The first method is really fast after the initial setup.

Awesome, thanks for writing that, it didn't even take 10 minutes to setup, and now conversion is almost painless. Now to install a new hard drive for those big converted files :)

Tom Alexander · January 26th, 2008, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomas Barthle Jr.

This is what I recommend. Can batch remove pulldown and output to any format. It doesn't capture from tape, however. Plus, when you are done editing in your NLE, render at the highest resolution from the timeline and use this as your master forever. Then, any time you need to put it on DVD, internet, Blu ray, etc, just pull the master in TMPGEnc to down rez. It has an excellent frame resize function that DOES NOT leave those horrible jaggies on straight lines like down rezzing in Vegas. You even have color correcting tools in it to make it more contrasty. There are a bunch of options in this program. Google it.

Thomas

Thanks. I not only Googled it, I tried the trial version and it worked so well that I just bought the retail version.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eugenia Loli-Queru

Check the two free methods here:
http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/0...-24p-pulldown/
The first method is really fast after the initial setup.

First, thanks for posting this.

I use the first method on my XP computer and has worked well for me for 8 months now, but I have not been able to get it to work on Vista. Every time I correct one error message, I get another. I followed the instructions on your blog to the tee, but no cigar. Have others been able to use this with Vista?

Chris Harris · January 27th, 2008, 02:46 AM

There's NO way Windows Movie Maker does any sort of pulldown. If anything, it's probably a quick deinterlace.

Eugenia Loli-Queru · January 28th, 2008, 05:51 PM

I really don't know about Vista, as I only use XP PRO at home... I have a Vista laptop that I never boot at (I mostly run Linux on it), but I guess I will to try it now. :D
Email me with the error you get.

January 26th, 2008, 08:55 AM	#1
James Blunt New Boot Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 18	Latest on 24p conversion for HV20 I have done it successfully with VirtualDubMPEG and the Cineform NEO-HDV trial. I haven't looked at it in a while though and was wondering if anyone has released anything that is FREE and AUTOMATIC? The virtualdub process is a pain to do for every clip and loses quality, and the Cineform is easy but isn't free and uses a proprietary format. I have a Windows XP system and a Mac OSX Tiger system. Is there any tool on either system that will go straight from the camcorder to 24p files? Since NEO-HDV is $250, getting a copy of Vista looks to be about the most flexible way to go since Windows Movie Maker can handle the conversion I've read.

January 26th, 2008, 05:01 PM	#4
Eugenia Loli-Queru Major Player Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Bay Area, CA, USA Posts: 348	Check the two free methods here: http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/2007/0...-24p-pulldown/ The first method is really fast after the initial setup.

January 26th, 2008, 05:57 PM	#5
James Blunt New Boot Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 18	I read it in the HV20 Need to Know post that is stickied... "Windows Movie Maker (Vista Home Premium) appears to handle the extraction nicely (dvr-ms format) and conveniently blends the frames into a progressive image when displayed in Windows Media Center. For those viewing raw m2t you can use VLC player to see the image without interlace. No choice for Media Player Classic though. Windows Media Player won't open m2t." After reading this again though it just sounds as though Movie Maker can copy the files in such a way that they can be viewed correctly in Media Center which doesn't mean its doing any conversion to 24p.

January 27th, 2008, 02:46 AM	#8
Chris Harris Major Player Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: San Francisco, California Posts: 487	There's NO way Windows Movie Maker does any sort of pulldown. If anything, it's probably a quick deinterlace.

January 28th, 2008, 05:51 PM	#9
Eugenia Loli-Queru Major Player Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Bay Area, CA, USA Posts: 348	I really don't know about Vista, as I only use XP PRO at home... I have a Vista laptop that I never boot at (I mostly run Linux on it), but I guess I will to try it now. :D Email me with the error you get.