VIXIA HV30 announced -- pics

Michael Y Wong · January 7th, 2008, 02:58 PM

I too was hoping to to see something that would compete head on with the aging Sony A1u, but considering how close it may come to the Canon A1 (especially with used A1s plummeting in price) i can't see that happening.

30p is a definate plus for me, and considering that I've been waiting on an hv20 to compliment my A1, hv30 it is.

It REALLY would have been nice to have the hv30 record in 24p mode without the 3:2 60i pulldown.

Luis A. Diaz · January 7th, 2008, 05:58 PM

They missed the Lanc control again, and the 24P pulldown conversion I'm very happy with my HV-10 and HV-20.
I'll pass on the HV-30 if that is all they are offering.

Luis

Michael Y Wong · January 7th, 2008, 07:39 PM

Anyone know if if the 30P mode on this badboy will be stored using the Canon 30F system? Or will it be 30P shooting and saved on the standard 60i timeline (similar to what the hv20/sony v1u 1080p24-> 3:2 pulldown to fit on a 60i timeline).

Would really be awesome if the 1080p24/30 output on this little can be outputted in 24F/30F frame mode.!!

Chris Hurd · January 7th, 2008, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Luis A. Diaz

They missed the Lanc control again

LANC disappeared from Canon consumer camcorders years ago and it will not be coming back, sorry.

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Originally Posted by Michael Y Wong

Anyone know if if the 30P mode on this badboy will be stored using the Canon 30F system?

30F needs three CCD image sensors to work, and the HV30 has a single CMOS sensor, so Frame mode acquisition is not possible. It is 30P, not 30F (however it will play back both 24F and 30F Frame mode video from an XL or XH series camcorder).

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Or will it be 30P shooting and saved on the standard 60i timeline (similar to what the hv20/sony v1u 1080p24-> 3:2 pulldown to fit on a 60i timeline).

Yes it is 30P in a 60i timeline. No need for pulldown though.

Michael Y Wong · January 7th, 2008, 08:32 PM

^^

Thanx Chris, now I know why you run this place :)

Wes Vasher · January 7th, 2008, 10:25 PM

Being able to have progressive and not worry about pull-down removal would really be a huge time saver. With so much video being made for the Internet/YouTube I see these camcorders being a great option in 30p mode for those types of projects.

Jon Fairhurst · January 8th, 2008, 04:30 AM

In addition to more manual controls, I'd love to see zebras or some other tool for setting exposure.

The Pana GS400 had zebras and rings. Has any consumer camera had them since?

Eugenia Loli-Queru · January 8th, 2008, 04:34 AM

The HV20 has zebra support...

Charles Wu · January 8th, 2008, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Hurd

Yes it is 30P in a 60i timeline. No need for pulldown though.

How to capture 30P footages from 60i timeline?
Does it still need flags?

Philippe Messier · January 8th, 2008, 10:41 PM

"The Pana GS400 had zebras and rings. Has any consumer camera had them since?"

Yes,...the HC1 has it.

Michael Y Wong · January 8th, 2008, 10:50 PM

my best guess is that it takes a single 30pprogressive frame and splits it into 2 60i fields. u will need to a deinterlace to restore back to original progressive frame

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Originally Posted by Charles Wu

How to capture 30P footages from 60i timeline?
Does it still need flags?

Charles Wu · January 8th, 2008, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael Y Wong

my best guess is that it takes a single 30pprogressive frame and splits it into 2 60i fields. u will need to a deinterlace to restore back to original progressive frame

I think it iust the same as we shoot HV20 in HDV mode(60i) using 1/30 shutter because HV10/20/30 has a progressive CMOS, am I right???

Dave Blackhurst · January 9th, 2008, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Jon Fairhurst

In addition to more manual controls, I'd love to see zebras or some other tool for setting exposure.

The Pana GS400 had zebras and rings. Has any consumer camera had them since?

HC1, 3, 5, 7, etc, etc... CX7... and of course the HV20 and presumably the new ones!

Chris Hurd · January 9th, 2008, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael Y Wong

my best guess is that it takes a single 30pprogressive frame and splits it into 2 60i fields. u will need to a deinterlace to restore back to original progressive frame

Bingo. Standard operating procedure which hasn't changed from the SD days of digital video. The two fields per frame are created at the same time and therefore do *not* have a 1/60th second time separation between them that normal interlace video has.

Charles Wu · January 9th, 2008, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Hurd

Bingo. Standard operating procedure which hasn't changed from the SD days of digital video. The two fields per frame are created at the same time and therefore do *not* have a 1/60th second time separation between them that normal interlace video has.

So, it would be much easy to convert to 30P than 24P in HV20. Good news!
Thanks you.

January 7th, 2008, 02:58 PM	#31
Michael Y Wong Major Player Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Toronto Ontario Canada! Posts: 353	I too was hoping to to see something that would compete head on with the aging Sony A1u, but considering how close it may come to the Canon A1 (especially with used A1s plummeting in price) i can't see that happening. 30p is a definate plus for me, and considering that I've been waiting on an hv20 to compliment my A1, hv30 it is. It REALLY would have been nice to have the hv30 record in 24p mode without the 3:2 60i pulldown. __________________ dreaming hobbyist + storyteller www.michaelywong.com

January 7th, 2008, 05:58 PM	#32
Luis A. Diaz Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Miami, Florida. USA. Posts: 138	New HV-30 They missed the Lanc control again, and the 24P pulldown conversion I'm very happy with my HV-10 and HV-20. I'll pass on the HV-30 if that is all they are offering. Luis

January 7th, 2008, 07:39 PM	#33
Michael Y Wong Major Player Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Toronto Ontario Canada! Posts: 353	30/24P vs 30/24F Anyone know if if the 30P mode on this badboy will be stored using the Canon 30F system? Or will it be 30P shooting and saved on the standard 60i timeline (similar to what the hv20/sony v1u 1080p24-> 3:2 pulldown to fit on a 60i timeline). Would really be awesome if the 1080p24/30 output on this little can be outputted in 24F/30F frame mode.!! __________________ dreaming hobbyist + storyteller www.michaelywong.com

January 7th, 2008, 08:32 PM	#35
Michael Y Wong Major Player Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Toronto Ontario Canada! Posts: 353	^^ Thanx Chris, now I know why you run this place :) __________________ dreaming hobbyist + storyteller www.michaelywong.com

January 7th, 2008, 10:25 PM	#36
Wes Vasher Major Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 440	Being able to have progressive and not worry about pull-down removal would really be a huge time saver. With so much video being made for the Internet/YouTube I see these camcorders being a great option in 30p mode for those types of projects. __________________ Clips \| Stills

January 8th, 2008, 04:30 AM	#37
Jon Fairhurst Inner Circle Join Date: May 2006 Location: Camas, WA, USA Posts: 5,513	In addition to more manual controls, I'd love to see zebras or some other tool for setting exposure. The Pana GS400 had zebras and rings. Has any consumer camera had them since? __________________ Jon Fairhurst

January 8th, 2008, 04:34 AM	#38
Eugenia Loli-Queru Major Player Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Bay Area, CA, USA Posts: 348	The HV20 has zebra support...

January 8th, 2008, 10:41 PM	#40
Philippe Messier Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 89	"The Pana GS400 had zebras and rings. Has any consumer camera had them since?" Yes,...the HC1 has it.