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John A Clark · October 29th, 2007, 08:43 AM

Forgive me, I'm a newbie ... background in still photography, and I have searched the forums in detail ... here's my three questions, all sort of related:

I have a HV20, and not being happy with the sound searched, selected, and bought a RODE SVM. Fine mic and all, but for my use, takes too much sound from behind, not enough from front, and for some of my use has insufficient reach and I need a shotgun (in place of remote mics). Trouble is, I think a shotgun will give me the exact opposite problem, and is only mono.

What I think I'm looking for is an 'on-camera' mixer allowing me to run both the SVM and a shotgun and mix the output and put the mix on tape, in Stereo (obviously run the shotgun over the top of both channels). Instead of the shotgun, I could use lapel mics or put another one closer to the source, and mix it back to the camera in the same way.

The small Beachtek unit only takes 2 mono sources and puts one on right channel and one on left, so you loose the stereo effect.

Is there such a small mixer? Other alternative is to use a Zoom H2/H4/R-09 to connect the second mic to and mix in post (more gear to carry, but might be more flexible)

Next question is should I move to XLR mics? If I can get a mixer that takes 1/8 plugs, is that o.k., or should I bite the bullet and go up-market (not really cost constrained - you should see the price of still photography gear!)

Last question, rather than running cords all the way from a remote mic, which is inconvenient usually, is there a small, reasonably prices wireless link you can recommend? Saves having to buy lots of different ones for different mic usages.

Jim Browning · October 29th, 2007, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by John A. Clark

I have a HV20, and not being happy with the sound searched, selected, and bought a RODE SVM. Fine mic and all, but for my use, takes too much sound from behind, not enough from front, and for some of my use has insufficient reach and I need a shotgun (in place of remote mics). Trouble is, I think a shotgun will give me the exact opposite problem, and is only mono.

What are you shooting primarily? Have you used a shotgun? I have the DM-50, and even in shotgun mode, I get a lot of ambient sound. Shotguns don't have all that much reach, so I'd be sure that it will achieve what you want. I'm gearing up to shoot volleyball, and am considering a parabolic setup to get the reach I want. And I'm trying to sort out the on-camera mixing, just as you are.

John A Clark · October 29th, 2007, 02:45 PM

The first time was an interview/presentation with the person 3 mt from the camera (would have been better with a lapel mic). Other uses will be school concerts, general kid activity, etc., hence the wireless question (i.e. mount the SVM out the front).

The shotgun would be more convenient, but I would expect looses the stereo atmosphere

Joseph H. Moore · October 31st, 2007, 06:43 PM

Get the beachtek ... The one a phantom power

Don't worry about mixing channels on camera ... Do that later. On camera, just worry about getting good clean audio.

Yes, XLR is definitely the way to go. The first time you have to go any distance you'll know why.

Get a decent lav ... Definitely best option for a controled interview.

Chris Soucy · October 31st, 2007, 07:13 PM

A good way to solve your cable problems (and a couple of other things as well) would be to buy the Sennheiser EW100 G2 system with an extra receiver (the G2 comes with a "belt clip" transmitter, a "butt plug" transmitter [plugs straight into the XLR socket on the mic] but only one "belt clip" receiver.

This would allow you to run the lav mic "on board" talent and position your chosen handheld mic just about anywhere you want. You can, with a bit of fandangling, get both the "belt clip" receivers onto the HV20 handstrap together.

You also require an adapter to plug both units into the HV20. If the sound shop you buy from is any good, they should be able to build you a custom cable set (receivers to HV20) which makes life even easier.

From memory the G2 "belt clip" transmitter comes stock with a "transmitter socket to XLR plug" to suit a standard handheld mic, so you aren't limited to the lav.

Worth checking them out.

CS

John A Clark · November 1st, 2007, 12:10 PM

The EW100 looks like the way to go, plugged into a beachtek.

I have just ordered a Zoom H4 which will do for the stereo effect, and I can run the Ew100 over the top of it for content.

October 29th, 2007, 08:43 AM	#1
John A Clark New Boot Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: NSW Australia Posts: 5	On Camera Mixer recommendation Forgive me, I'm a newbie ... background in still photography, and I have searched the forums in detail ... here's my three questions, all sort of related: I have a HV20, and not being happy with the sound searched, selected, and bought a RODE SVM. Fine mic and all, but for my use, takes too much sound from behind, not enough from front, and for some of my use has insufficient reach and I need a shotgun (in place of remote mics). Trouble is, I think a shotgun will give me the exact opposite problem, and is only mono. What I think I'm looking for is an 'on-camera' mixer allowing me to run both the SVM and a shotgun and mix the output and put the mix on tape, in Stereo (obviously run the shotgun over the top of both channels). Instead of the shotgun, I could use lapel mics or put another one closer to the source, and mix it back to the camera in the same way. The small Beachtek unit only takes 2 mono sources and puts one on right channel and one on left, so you loose the stereo effect. Is there such a small mixer? Other alternative is to use a Zoom H2/H4/R-09 to connect the second mic to and mix in post (more gear to carry, but might be more flexible) Next question is should I move to XLR mics? If I can get a mixer that takes 1/8 plugs, is that o.k., or should I bite the bullet and go up-market (not really cost constrained - you should see the price of still photography gear!) Last question, rather than running cords all the way from a remote mic, which is inconvenient usually, is there a small, reasonably prices wireless link you can recommend? Saves having to buy lots of different ones for different mic usages.

October 31st, 2007, 07:13 PM	#5
Chris Soucy Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Fairfield, Dunedin, New Zealand Posts: 3,691 Images: 18	Hi John.......... A good way to solve your cable problems (and a couple of other things as well) would be to buy the Sennheiser EW100 G2 system with an extra receiver (the G2 comes with a "belt clip" transmitter, a "butt plug" transmitter [plugs straight into the XLR socket on the mic] but only one "belt clip" receiver. This would allow you to run the lav mic "on board" talent and position your chosen handheld mic just about anywhere you want. You can, with a bit of fandangling, get both the "belt clip" receivers onto the HV20 handstrap together. You also require an adapter to plug both units into the HV20. If the sound shop you buy from is any good, they should be able to build you a custom cable set (receivers to HV20) which makes life even easier. From memory the G2 "belt clip" transmitter comes stock with a "transmitter socket to XLR plug" to suit a standard handheld mic, so you aren't limited to the lav. Worth checking them out. CS

October 29th, 2007, 02:45 PM	#3
John A Clark New Boot Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: NSW Australia Posts: 5	The first time was an interview/presentation with the person 3 mt from the camera (would have been better with a lapel mic). Other uses will be school concerts, general kid activity, etc., hence the wireless question (i.e. mount the SVM out the front). The shotgun would be more convenient, but I would expect looses the stereo atmosphere

October 31st, 2007, 06:43 PM	#4
Joseph H. Moore Major Player Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 362	Get the beachtek ... The one a phantom power Don't worry about mixing channels on camera ... Do that later. On camera, just worry about getting good clean audio. Yes, XLR is definitely the way to go. The first time you have to go any distance you'll know why. Get a decent lav ... Definitely best option for a controled interview.

November 1st, 2007, 12:10 PM	#6
John A Clark New Boot Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: NSW Australia Posts: 5	The EW100 looks like the way to go, plugged into a beachtek. I have just ordered a Zoom H4 which will do for the stereo effect, and I can run the Ew100 over the top of it for content.