HV20 Workshop/Class - What Features Should I Teach? at DVinfo.net

Robert Ducon · September 27th, 2007, 01:10 PM

I'm going to be running a single evening class on the HV20 at a local indie film society/cooperative, highlighting the HV20. The society owns an HV20 and other members can rent it out. However, no one has shown what this camera can do - most people don't even know how to lock/set the exposure yet.

There'll be two groups at the meeting - newbies that are curious on how to use this new camera, and then other that have heard how incredible this camera is for 24P 'cinema-like' applications. I'd of course rather cater to the second crowed, showing off the latitude, shutter lock, etc etc but I'm certain that the majority of my time will be spent outlining how to use the little sucker for the newbies.

Nonetheless, I'm planning out my topics now.. what do you all think I should overview?

Priorities, first to last.

First, the basics:

1) How to turn on camera, load tape
2) MiniDV and HDV modes
3) Auto mode vs P Mode
4) Program, Shutter prio, Aperture prio, and Cinemode and uses
5) Setting/locking Exposure manually and when/why
6) Audo focus vs. Instant Auto focus and Manual Focus (and focus assist)
7) White-balance pre-sets
8) Still photo mode
9) 60i mode compared to 24P mode (and uses)

And then, if the group desires, advanced:

a) How the HV20 empowers: compared to XL-H1 footage, Sony Z1U footage, wide latitude, lack of oversharpening, lack of grain, great resolution, 24P mode, etc AND drawbacks - low light, gain/shutter control, CMOS sensitivity to shaky footage
b) 60i > 24P Inverse Telecine how to (with JES DeInterlacer and/or FCS 2 Compressor)
c) How to lock the aperture to wide open in Cinemode with zero gain
d) How/why to lock shutter to 1/48th
e) Cinemodes benefits/drawbacks (overviewing grain, increased latitude, lack of total shutter control, softness to detail)
f) HDMI capture of 4:2:2 signal (theory, won't perform the procedure but can show sample footage that I've shot)
g) HV20 use with 35mm adapter setup

PLEASE add, SUGGEST revisions.. in an order you think will be useful!

Moises Crespo · September 27th, 2007, 01:22 PM

Sounds great, How about if your record it. Plan on getting one to go with my A1. Could use a walk through video.

Lou Bruno · September 27th, 2007, 06:44 PM

Go into the CUSTOM set-up.....brung the Saturation up to the last + level.
Bring up then contrast as well........advise them to use SHADE at times for a good skin tone. The importance of using ND filters as well.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert Ducon

I'm going to be running a single evening class on the HV20 at a local indie film society/cooperative, highlighting the HV20. The society owns an HV20 and other members can rent it out. However, no one has shown what this camera can do - most people don't even know how to lock/set the exposure yet.

There'll be two groups at the meeting - newbies that are curious on how to use this new camera, and then other that have heard how incredible this camera is for 24P 'cinema-like' applications. I'd of course rather cater to the second crowed, showing off the latitude, shutter lock, etc etc but I'm certain that the majority of my time will be spent outlining how to use the little sucker for the newbies.

Nonetheless, I'm planning out my topics now.. what do you all think I should overview?

Priorities, first to last.

First, the basics:

1) How to turn on camera, load tape
2) MiniDV and HDV modes
3) Auto mode vs P Mode
4) Program, Shutter prio, Aperture prio, and Cinemode and uses
5) Setting/locking Exposure manually and when/why
6) Audo focus vs. Instant Auto focus and Manual Focus (and focus assist)
7) White-balance pre-sets
8) Still photo mode
9) 60i mode compared to 24P mode (and uses)

And then, if the group desires, advanced:

a) How the HV20 empowers: compared to XL-H1 footage, Sony Z1U footage, wide latitude, lack of oversharpening, lack of grain, great resolution, 24P mode, etc AND drawbacks - low light, gain/shutter control, CMOS sensitivity to shaky footage
b) 60i > 24P Inverse Telecine how to (with JES DeInterlacer and/or FCS 2 Compressor)
c) How to lock the aperture to wide open in Cinemode with zero gain
d) How/why to lock shutter to 1/48th
e) Cinemodes benefits/drawbacks (overviewing grain, increased latitude, lack of total shutter control, softness to detail)
f) HDMI capture of 4:2:2 signal (theory, won't perform the procedure but can show sample footage that I've shot)
g) HV20 use with 35mm adapter setup

PLEASE add, SUGGEST revisions.. in an order you think will be useful!

Glen Kim · September 27th, 2007, 08:38 PM

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PLEASE add, SUGGEST revisions.. in an order you think will be useful!

That looks like a very good list of topics. Here are some additional ideas you may want to consider --

Audio options - using a mic and audio recording level
Accessory shoe options
How to transfer video to a PC (I assume this will be covered)

And I agree with the suggestion to record it. That sounds like a great idea!

Robert Ducon · September 28th, 2007, 12:51 AM

Good ideas..

Not sure about recording it, but a write-up perhaps. I'm pressed for time as is.

Covering audio is very important - thanks for reminding me. Mic-in jacks are worth their weight in .. gold.

What else?

John Hotze · September 28th, 2007, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert Ducon

Good ideas..

Not sure about recording it, but a write-up perhaps. I'm pressed for time as is.

Covering audio is very important - thanks for reminding me. Mic-in jacks are worth their weight in .. gold.

What else?

How best to setup the camera for shooting in low light or over exposed sunlight. Maybe this will be covered in your list but how to improve you shots under diverse conditions is something we are all confronted with at times.

You didn't say but is this a project your doing to bring in a little extra cash. If not, if it was done well, it certainly could be.

HV20 for Idiots, amateurs, & pros.

Robert Ducon · September 28th, 2007, 12:56 PM

Sure.. best uses for the camera in which location. Thanks.

Nope, this is a "give-back to the community" thing - I want others to realize how useful this little camera is and not be put off by it's small, cheap initial appearance. :D This is me urging people to use it.

Michael Jouravlev · September 28th, 2007, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert Ducon

Nope, this is a "give-back to the community" thing

Like free vidcasts?

Two months ago I knew nothing about Digital Juice. Then I watched their free tutorials, and just loved them. Perry is definetely the best. I own two their products now. (what do you mean "just two"?).

So... If you are selling something, then your vidcasts could boost the sales and serve as grass-roots advertisement. Everybody wins.

Robert Ducon · September 29th, 2007, 02:30 AM

This 'class' will be run informally, in person - that's all I've planned. I don't have the time to devote to podcasting now.

Anyone have anymore suggestions?

Laurentiu Todie · September 30th, 2007, 08:00 AM

I'm disappointed that you're not filming the class.
I have the HV10 and don't use it well.

Oh, well…
As a suggestion I'd add a few words about lighting in various conditions.
(reflectors?)

Good luck!
and let us know how the class went.

Thank you!

Elliott Tucker · October 3rd, 2007, 06:46 AM

Newbee's also need to know which accessories are essential, why, and brief overview on how to use them in order to get the best out of this camera.

As a newbee, I would gladly pay for dvd based IN DEPTH course based training in the HV20. Perhaps a series of DVDs similar to how VASST has done their Vegas training series of DVDs each covering different topics. Show actual HV20 footage examples.

I purchased the "Jumstart the Canon HV20" dvd from BH Photo, but it is more like User Guide Manual in a dvd rather than printed format. Not the in depth info I need.

I understand you are not interested in pursuing a recorded course, but hopefully someone else will. I believe there is a market for it.

Steve MacDonald · October 3rd, 2007, 08:20 AM

I would have to agree it is a shame to have someone like Robert, who knows this camera very well, I've read many of his posts, not video tape this event.
I realize it's a time element issue, but I wish you would reconsider the taping aspect. Hey, I'm in no hurry for a finished product, just so long as it's under the tree in December!!

September 27th, 2007, 01:10 PM	#1
Robert Ducon Major Player Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Victoria BC Posts: 400	HV20 Workshop/Class - What Features Should I Teach? I'm going to be running a single evening class on the HV20 at a local indie film society/cooperative, highlighting the HV20. The society owns an HV20 and other members can rent it out. However, no one has shown what this camera can do - most people don't even know how to lock/set the exposure yet. There'll be two groups at the meeting - newbies that are curious on how to use this new camera, and then other that have heard how incredible this camera is for 24P 'cinema-like' applications. I'd of course rather cater to the second crowed, showing off the latitude, shutter lock, etc etc but I'm certain that the majority of my time will be spent outlining how to use the little sucker for the newbies. Nonetheless, I'm planning out my topics now.. what do you all think I should overview? Priorities, first to last. First, the basics: 1) How to turn on camera, load tape 2) MiniDV and HDV modes 3) Auto mode vs P Mode 4) Program, Shutter prio, Aperture prio, and Cinemode and uses 5) Setting/locking Exposure manually and when/why 6) Audo focus vs. Instant Auto focus and Manual Focus (and focus assist) 7) White-balance pre-sets 8) Still photo mode 9) 60i mode compared to 24P mode (and uses) And then, if the group desires, advanced: a) How the HV20 empowers: compared to XL-H1 footage, Sony Z1U footage, wide latitude, lack of oversharpening, lack of grain, great resolution, 24P mode, etc AND drawbacks - low light, gain/shutter control, CMOS sensitivity to shaky footage b) 60i > 24P Inverse Telecine how to (with JES DeInterlacer and/or FCS 2 Compressor) c) How to lock the aperture to wide open in Cinemode with zero gain d) How/why to lock shutter to 1/48th e) Cinemodes benefits/drawbacks (overviewing grain, increased latitude, lack of total shutter control, softness to detail) f) HDMI capture of 4:2:2 signal (theory, won't perform the procedure but can show sample footage that I've shot) g) HV20 use with 35mm adapter setup PLEASE add, SUGGEST revisions.. in an order you think will be useful! __________________ Mac + Canon HV20

September 28th, 2007, 12:51 AM	#5
Robert Ducon Major Player Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Victoria BC Posts: 400	Good ideas.. Not sure about recording it, but a write-up perhaps. I'm pressed for time as is. Covering audio is very important - thanks for reminding me. Mic-in jacks are worth their weight in .. gold. What else? __________________ Mac + Canon HV20

September 28th, 2007, 12:56 PM	#7
Robert Ducon Major Player Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Victoria BC Posts: 400	Sure.. best uses for the camera in which location. Thanks. Nope, this is a "give-back to the community" thing - I want others to realize how useful this little camera is and not be put off by it's small, cheap initial appearance. :D This is me urging people to use it. __________________ Mac + Canon HV20

September 29th, 2007, 02:30 AM	#9
Robert Ducon Major Player Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Victoria BC Posts: 400	This 'class' will be run informally, in person - that's all I've planned. I don't have the time to devote to podcasting now. Anyone have anymore suggestions? __________________ Mac + Canon HV20

September 30th, 2007, 08:00 AM	#10
Laurentiu Todie New Boot Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Rego Park, NY Posts: 20	Idiot level here : ) I'm disappointed that you're not filming the class. I have the HV10 and don't use it well. Oh, well… As a suggestion I'd add a few words about lighting in various conditions. (reflectors?) Good luck! and let us know how the class went. Thank you!

September 27th, 2007, 01:22 PM	#2
Moises Crespo Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Boynton Beach,FL Posts: 94	Sounds great, How about if your record it. Plan on getting one to go with my A1. Could use a walk through video.

October 3rd, 2007, 06:46 AM	#11
Elliott Tucker New Boot Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Georgetown, Texas Posts: 12	Essential Accesssories Newbee's also need to know which accessories are essential, why, and brief overview on how to use them in order to get the best out of this camera. As a newbee, I would gladly pay for dvd based IN DEPTH course based training in the HV20. Perhaps a series of DVDs similar to how VASST has done their Vegas training series of DVDs each covering different topics. Show actual HV20 footage examples. I purchased the "Jumstart the Canon HV20" dvd from BH Photo, but it is more like User Guide Manual in a dvd rather than printed format. Not the in depth info I need. I understand you are not interested in pursuing a recorded course, but hopefully someone else will. I believe there is a market for it.

October 3rd, 2007, 08:20 AM	#12
Steve MacDonald New Boot Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Pleasant Hill, CA Posts: 17	I would have to agree it is a shame to have someone like Robert, who knows this camera very well, I've read many of his posts, not video tape this event. I realize it's a time element issue, but I wish you would reconsider the taping aspect. Hey, I'm in no hurry for a finished product, just so long as it's under the tree in December!!