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Link to Canon HG10 Manual
The HG10 manual is available on the Canon USA website, and I hadn't seen a link posted, so here it is:
http://downloads.canon.com/cpr/softw...NTSC_E_Web.pdf I am still torn between the HG10 and the HV20. I go back and forth and back and forth and back... Better overall quality and workflow with the HDV solution vs. Better camera handling and random clip access with AVCHD. Step-daughter's volleyball season is approaching... Sigh... I'm about ready to flip a coin ;-/ I know I'm 'over-thinking' but I can't stop myself! |
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Obstreperous Rex
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Much appreciated, thanks Jim!
AVCHD can still be a bit of a challenge to edit at this point, if that's any help. |
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CineForm a savior?
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HG10 or HV20 ===> CineForm ===> Vegas ===> CD/DVD/Etc. ?? Will I be pulling my hair out with this workflow? Does it ameliorate the issues with AVCHD editing? My apologies for hijacking my own thread with these questions.. most of this is spread around in multiple threads. "Round and round and round he goes, and where he stops, nobody knows..." |
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Jim:
I have the HV20. Using Cineforms NeoHDV to Vegas, using 24p pull down. Editing in Vegas is a snap. When I edit in Vegas using the native .m2t files, Vegas does not preview the files well, even though I run an early AMD dual core machine (3800+). I fought getting Cineform a long time, as the .m2t edited someone easier in Premiere Pro 2.0. However, I am glad I spent the bucks, because I am using Vegas regularly now and getting nice results... Assuming Cineform does the capture thing right with the AVCHD file conversion, I would be tempted to go with the HG10-- except I have seen a satifactory explanation of how well the manual focus will work..
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CineForm just needs a CODEC
CineFrom published a technical note saying it will convert AVCHD so long as you have a CODEC (e.g., from Nero or PowerDVD) installed. I'll have to wait to get my hands on one to evaluate the focus... :-/
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I would consider the HG10 because it has less motor noise. But if you would use an external mic anyway it would be a moot point.
Also it seems the steadyshot corrects slightly more than the HV20 but if it's visible to the average user don't know yet. Haven't seen that many clips yet. Otherwise I think the HV20 handling is just fine and I'm sure the HG10 will not beat the HV20 quality and format versatility. Also I'm sure AVCHD will be supported eventually in about all programs. |
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Jim,
Save yourself some grief. I use the Tvix 4100 media player to play back all kinds of HD...including HDV and AVCHD. It will alleviate the need to use a computer as a playback device. At about the cost of a high end video card, it is a cost effective solution for these HD formats. Plus, you can put the Tvix 4100 on a LAN and serve the video files from a network store (your computer's hard drive). BTW, I have the Canon HV20 and the Panasonic SD1...HDV and AVCHD camcorders, respectfully. The video quality is very similar. I suspect the HG10 will have very similar video quality to the HV20. At least, not enough difference to be discernable without comparing the video side by side. As far as Vegas goes, it will NOT edit any Canon AVCHD without first transcoding it to an intermediate or HDV. Cineform is certainly an option (expensive at $250), but Lagarith or HUFFYUV codecs are free. |
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Obstreperous Rex
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That is false. In both the Canon HV20 and HG10 camcorders, the OIS mechanisms are identical.
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Obstreperous Rex
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http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=101059 |
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Chris,
Yes, I've seen those videos and mine on my 42" LG plasma and they are remarkably alike. As I said, unless you compare them side by side, you are unlikely to notice any difference. And as long as you are satisfied with the display, who cares? For the most part, all HD camcorders are plenty good enough for the discerning consumer. |
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I have the same exact version pf Vegas as you and am unable to open those files. In fact my VLC player keeps crapping out on me when i try to open those files from the HG10. The only thing I was able to view it in properly was Nero Showtime.
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Douglas - I'll look up that post of yours.. I remember reading it. You seem to be the only one who has been able to open non-Sony AVCHD directly into Vegas without prior manipulation. I'm going to ponder this tonight and see if I can make a decision without a coin toss.. |
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Spot,
I have two different computers here: a core duo laptop and a quad core desktop. They are running WinXP Home and WinXP Pro, respectfully. Both have Vegas 7e installed. I am scrupulous about maintaining my OS and software configurations. I cannot open either Panasonic or Canon AVCHD files in Vegas on these computers. Numerous other Vegas users are reporting the same issue. I don't know what is different about your computer and software, but it is unique, in my experience. Perhaps you were using some M2TS files that had already been converted to HDV from AVCHD? Jim, I can understand your apprehension over playing DRM content. I have yet to try that with my Tvix, but my understanding is that it is possible. You don't need a $300 video card for accelerated playback. The Nvidia 8600GT or GTS cards are just over $100 and do fine as long as you are using Vista. |
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