Canon HG10: download 24p video clips

Heinz Bihlmeir · August 13th, 2007, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Serge Victorovich

Heinz, i have sample from Panasonic AVCHD cam with these parametras:

file type : TS
video stream type : AVC/H.264
resolution : 1440x1080
profile:level : Main:4.0
...

Interesting...

All PANASONIC AVC Cameras I know use high profile (HP@L4). This may be one of the reasons why the footage from PANASONIC or CANON cameras is not supported by Vegas (SONY cameras use MP@L4). Someone in this forum said that the new PANASONIC FullHD camera generation (SX5, SD5) uses 13 MBPS with CBR. I cannot believe this, it does not make any sense.

Luc Fender · August 13th, 2007, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Heinz Bihlmeir

Interesting...

All PANASONIC AVC Cameras I know use high profile (HP@L4). This may be one of the reasons why the footage from PANASONIC or CANON cameras is not supported by Vegas (SONY cameras use MP@L4). Someone in this forum said that the new PANASONIC FullHD camera generation (SX5, SD5) uses 13 MBPS with CBR. I cannot believe this, it does not make any sense.

Ulead videostudio claims they support AVCHD. So maybe that's an alternative even though not as powerful but good enough for most.

Otherwise you could convert but quite a hassle and you have to make sure it doesn't result in quality loss.

Not an expert on real-time encoders but seems CBR would be much easier to do.
I wonder how these real-time encoder decide it can lower the bitrate in a scene (since in theory more is always better).

Serge Victorovich · August 15th, 2007, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Heinz Bihlmeir

Interesting...

All PANASONIC AVC Cameras I know use high profile (HP@L4). This may be one of the reasons why the footage from PANASONIC or CANON cameras is not supported by Vegas (SONY cameras use MP@L4). Someone in this forum said that the new PANASONIC FullHD camera generation (SX5, SD5) uses 13 MBPS with CBR. I cannot believe this, it does not make any sense.

Try samples from Sony SR7 and Panasonic SX6
http://www.archive.org/download/hdv_...sr7_02.MTS.mpg
http://www.archive.org/download/hdv_...cx6_02.MTS.mpg

Both Sony SR7 and Panasonic SX6 had similar parameter of streams MP@L4.
Vegas7e can import those streams no problem.
Only HP@L4 samples produced by Canon HG10 impossible edit within Vegas7.

Heinz Bihlmeir · August 15th, 2007, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Serge Victorovich

Try samples from Sony SR7 and Panasonic SX6
http://www.archive.org/download/hdv_...sr7_02.MTS.mpg
http://www.archive.org/download/hdv_...cx6_02.MTS.mpg

Both Sony SR7 and Panasonic SX6 had similar parameter of streams MP@L4.
Vegas7e can import those streams no problem.
Only HP@L4 samples produced by Canon HG10 impossible edit within Vegas7.

File cx6_02.MTS.mpg is from a SONY camcorder (CX6 Memory Stick Camera). Btw. the new PANASONIC camcorders use a FUJITSU codec, which supports high profile HP@L4.0 but no PAFF and MBAFF. I don't know what codec the CANON camera is using (inhouse design or third party part).

Serge Victorovich · August 16th, 2007, 01:11 AM

Heinz, sorry, my mistake. I've mixed SX5 (Panasonic) with CX6 (Sony).

Thank you for clarification.

Heath McKnight · August 16th, 2007, 08:01 AM

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Pat Griffin · August 16th, 2007, 05:53 PM

does iMovie 08 work with HV20/HG10 24p or just 30?

Douglas Spotted Eagle · August 16th, 2007, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Guy Bruner

Well, users of the Vegas editing software will be disappointed. I have verified that Vegas 7 won't edit these files...just like Vegas won't edit Panasonic AVCHD...thanks Austin for posting the raw video. Plus, Sony has announced Vegas 8 to be shown at IBC won't edit any AVCHD except Sony's version.

Opening just fine in Vegas 7e for me, Guy.

Guy Bruner · August 16th, 2007, 07:31 PM

Not opening for me in Vegas 7e, DSE.

Guy Bruner · August 17th, 2007, 06:42 AM

Spot, if you are opening Austin's raw AVCHD files in Vegas 7.0e, something else is at play. I'm using Vegas 7.0e Build 216, which I believe is the latest update. I have tried opening all the raw files that Austin has posted here and none open irregardless of whether the file extension is MTS or M2TS. This is the same behavior I get with Panasonic AVCHD files. If you are successfully opening and editing the raw AVCHD in 7.0e, I'm willing to accept something is wrong with my machine. Suggestions on fixing the problem are appreciated. Here are the errors I get from Vegas when I try to open or import these files:

Douglas Spotted Eagle · August 17th, 2007, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Luc Fender

How does the built-in mic compare to the HV20? Does it record camcorder noise similar to the tape mechanism (and buttons) of the HV20?

Thanks
Luc

I haven't shot with the HG10, but can say that there would be no transport noise. I'd expect the buttons to make noise, and on a couple of Austin's clips (thanks for those, BTW) the buttons cannot be heard well, but can be heard. Same with the Sony CX7. On a tripod it's dead silent. The HG10 is likely the same.

Luc Fender · August 17th, 2007, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Douglas Spotted Eagle

I haven't shot with the HG10, but can say that there would be no transport noise. I'd expect the buttons to make noise, and on a couple of Austin's clips (thanks for those, BTW) the buttons cannot be heard well, but can be heard. Same with the Sony CX7. On a tripod it's dead silent. The HG10 is likely the same.

Which clips can you hear the original audio? I tried a few but the audio are all overdubbed in those. The clips on watch-impress unfortunately always have this loud chirping sounds (crickets I assume).

That sounds very promising since that's the biggest thing I hate about the HV20 (and fixing appears overly complex if you're only interested in casual shooting). Also from what I've seen the AVCHD decoder works well enough now for my taste (the test clip from watch-impress is pretty good).

By the way I tried to play the MTS file from watch-impress and I can see the problems at this point. I wasn't able to load the file in the programs that claimed compatibility. But I think that's temporary.

Ian G. Thompson · August 17th, 2007, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Guy Bruner

Not opening for me in Vegas 7e, DSE.

I'm having issues also with the same version of Vegas

Rich Sanchez · August 19th, 2007, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Guy Bruner

Not opening for me in Vegas 7e, DSE.

Like Guy I can not open any of Austin's raw AVCHD files in Vegas 7.0e, Build 216. Tried with the file extension MTS and M2TS.

I have no problems opening raw AVCHD files from the Sony HDR-SR1.

Rich

Michael Eskin · August 20th, 2007, 09:14 PM

I had no problem converting them to Cineform Intermediate using HDLink...

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August 17th, 2007, 06:42 AM	#40
Guy Bruner Major Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Ashford, AL Posts: 937	Spot, if you are opening Austin's raw AVCHD files in Vegas 7.0e, something else is at play. I'm using Vegas 7.0e Build 216, which I believe is the latest update. I have tried opening all the raw files that Austin has posted here and none open irregardless of whether the file extension is MTS or M2TS. This is the same behavior I get with Panasonic AVCHD files. If you are successfully opening and editing the raw AVCHD in 7.0e, I'm willing to accept something is wrong with my machine. Suggestions on fixing the problem are appreciated. Here are the errors I get from Vegas when I try to open or import these files: Last edited by Guy Bruner; March 21st, 2008 at 04:57 AM.

August 16th, 2007, 01:11 AM	#35
Serge Victorovich Major Player Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 376	Heinz, sorry, my mistake. I've mixed SX5 (Panasonic) with CX6 (Sony). Thank you for clarification.

August 16th, 2007, 07:31 PM	#39
Guy Bruner Major Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Ashford, AL Posts: 937	Not opening for me in Vegas 7e, DSE.

August 20th, 2007, 09:14 PM	#45
Michael Eskin Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 73	I had no problem converting them to Cineform Intermediate using HDLink...