black and white on the GL2 at DVinfo.net

Adam Buckley · February 7th, 2003, 02:44 PM

so it looks like you can't shoot in black and white with the GL2 while it's in frame mode...so if i want to have something shot in the frame mode be in b & w, does that mean i just have to take the color out in post? is that the only way of doing it? also, is that a difficult thing to do (that is, take the color out)? i don't have any experience w/ editing systems...

thanks

Tom Christensen · February 7th, 2003, 05:01 PM

Are you sure you can't? I could have sworn that I did this once using frame mode and teh B&W effect. Is this in the manual?

Tom

Brian M. Dickman · February 7th, 2003, 05:24 PM

I'll have to go try it tonight, although I could see it going either way I guess, depending on how they designed the processor in the GL2 and how many spare cycles it has when doing frame mode.

Meanwhile, most NLE's will have a B&W filter plugin. On Vegas for instance, you can just add the Black and White plugin to a track or your main video output, and go.

Rob Talley · February 7th, 2003, 05:40 PM

Just verified this on mine:

Camera must be in (P)rogram Mode

This tripped me up the first few times I tried to get it to work too. Where I was making my mistake was in the selection of the B&W effect and actually locking it in.

D.EFFECT/BARS SELECT button ->
Scroll using rear selector wheel to EFFECTS, push wheel in, Scroll to select B&W, push wheel in, then press D.EFFECT/BARS SELECT button to lock it in. (it was this step that I was flubbing)
The on-screen will show B&W flashing, then use the D.EFFECT/BARS ON/OFF button to turn the effect on or off.

It works in frame mode just fine.

This can also be set via the IR Remote using the same procedures substituting the rear selector wheel with the ^,v, and SET buttons.

pg 62 lists the restrictions that cannot be used in Frame mode (and also slower shutter speeds). pg 64 outlines the steps to actually get it selected, just substitue B&W for the Wipe/Overlap example shown.

Hope this helps.

Tom Christensen · February 7th, 2003, 05:47 PM

I just looked at the online manual (at work right now) and it doesn't have any footnotes about the effects not working in frame mode.

I remember that it was a pain to get them turned on, but I'm almost sure that I got it to work since I rarely shoot in normal mode.

Tom

Rob Talley · February 7th, 2003, 05:51 PM

In my printed version it lists Wipe, Overlap, Strobe, and Trail as not being selectable in Frame or if the shutter speed is (1/8, 1/15, or 1/30).

Adam Buckley · February 8th, 2003, 12:21 AM

thanks to everyone...i got it figured out. you can definitely use b&w in frame mode. for some reason i thought that all of the digital effects were not available in the frame mode. it is kind of tricky to get the digital effects to work, but i finally figured it out. it's kind of strange because it never says "digital effects ON"...but, like i said i got it.

Rob Lohman · February 8th, 2003, 05:15 AM

Personally I prefer to shoot color any do B&W in post, why? Because
I can manipulate how the B&W will look a lot more:

1. I can make it not color and not B&W but just inbetween
2. I can use color when everything is black & white if I want
(have a totally B&W scene where a girls sweater is red for example)
3. If I don't like the B&W look afterall I don't have to go back
and reshoot it, to get it color (or muted color for example)

etc.... this is just me ofcourse

Don Berube · February 8th, 2003, 09:21 AM

perhaps you could also drop the Setup Level a couple of notches and crush the blacks a bit

- don

February 7th, 2003, 02:44 PM	#1
Adam Buckley Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 37	black and white on the GL2 so it looks like you can't shoot in black and white with the GL2 while it's in frame mode...so if i want to have something shot in the frame mode be in b & w, does that mean i just have to take the color out in post? is that the only way of doing it? also, is that a difficult thing to do (that is, take the color out)? i don't have any experience w/ editing systems... thanks

February 8th, 2003, 05:15 AM	#8
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Personally I prefer to shoot color any do B&W in post, why? Because I can manipulate how the B&W will look a lot more: 1. I can make it not color and not B&W but just inbetween 2. I can use color when everything is black & white if I want (have a totally B&W scene where a girls sweater is red for example) 3. If I don't like the B&W look afterall I don't have to go back and reshoot it, to get it color (or muted color for example) etc.... this is just me ofcourse __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

February 8th, 2003, 09:21 AM	#9
Don Berube Moderator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Boston, MA (travel frequently) Posts: 837	perhaps you could also drop the Setup Level a couple of notches and crush the blacks a bit - don __________________ DONALD BERUBE - noisybrain. Productions, LLC Director Of Photography/ Producer/ Consultant http://noisybrain.com/donbio.html CREATE and NETWORK with http://www.bosfcpug.org and also http://fcpugnetwork.org

February 7th, 2003, 05:01 PM	#2
Tom Christensen Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Cave Creek, AZ Posts: 87	Are you sure you can't? I could have sworn that I did this once using frame mode and teh B&W effect. Is this in the manual? Tom

February 7th, 2003, 05:24 PM	#3
Brian M. Dickman Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 148	I'll have to go try it tonight, although I could see it going either way I guess, depending on how they designed the processor in the GL2 and how many spare cycles it has when doing frame mode. Meanwhile, most NLE's will have a B&W filter plugin. On Vegas for instance, you can just add the Black and White plugin to a track or your main video output, and go.

February 7th, 2003, 05:40 PM	#4
Rob Talley Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 27	Just verified this on mine: Camera must be in (P)rogram Mode This tripped me up the first few times I tried to get it to work too. Where I was making my mistake was in the selection of the B&W effect and actually locking it in. D.EFFECT/BARS SELECT button -> Scroll using rear selector wheel to EFFECTS, push wheel in, Scroll to select B&W, push wheel in, then press D.EFFECT/BARS SELECT button to lock it in. (it was this step that I was flubbing) The on-screen will show B&W flashing, then use the D.EFFECT/BARS ON/OFF button to turn the effect on or off. It works in frame mode just fine. This can also be set via the IR Remote using the same procedures substituting the rear selector wheel with the ^,v, and SET buttons. pg 62 lists the restrictions that cannot be used in Frame mode (and also slower shutter speeds). pg 64 outlines the steps to actually get it selected, just substitue B&W for the Wipe/Overlap example shown. Hope this helps.

February 7th, 2003, 05:47 PM	#5
Tom Christensen Regular Crew Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Cave Creek, AZ Posts: 87	I just looked at the online manual (at work right now) and it doesn't have any footnotes about the effects not working in frame mode. I remember that it was a pain to get them turned on, but I'm almost sure that I got it to work since I rarely shoot in normal mode. Tom

February 7th, 2003, 05:51 PM	#6
Rob Talley Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 27	In my printed version it lists Wipe, Overlap, Strobe, and Trail as not being selectable in Frame or if the shutter speed is (1/8, 1/15, or 1/30).

February 8th, 2003, 12:21 AM	#7
Adam Buckley Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 37	thanks to everyone...i got it figured out. you can definitely use b&w in frame mode. for some reason i thought that all of the digital effects were not available in the frame mode. it is kind of tricky to get the digital effects to work, but i finally figured it out. it's kind of strange because it never says "digital effects ON"...but, like i said i got it.