One Chip Versus GL-2 at DVinfo.net

Tony Marino · April 24th, 2006, 07:30 PM

Is there any one chip (non HD) made today that has the same excellent picture quality as the GL-2? Is there any way to measure the quality? For example lines of resolution.

Thanks,
Tony

David L. Holmes · April 24th, 2006, 08:07 PM

This is a good thread, I am also in the market for a cute cheaper camera to use mostly as a import deck unit, but also a secondary camera where it will be paired with my GL2. Are the new Canon 16:9 1-CCD chippers any good? Or would Sony, or Panasonic be a better camera?

Dale Guthormsen · April 24th, 2006, 09:59 PM

Tony, David,

I have worked on this idea myself. The problem is that by the time you get a one chipper that is of good enough quality you are getting near the price of an actual palyer. The gl2 footage is pretty hard to approach in my opinion. I would look at the more economical three chip panasonics that have 3ccd s: 150 and 250. you might get them cheap used on ebay.

David Ennis · April 25th, 2006, 07:41 AM

I normally shoot high school concerts and other staged events with 3 cams--a GL2, a Sony VX2100 and a Panasonic GS200 (three chip predecessor of the GS250). I use the Pany up front for dramatic closeup and angled footage, and it is also my workhorse deck unit at home.

The three cams are close in color, and I think that most of the difference "forgiven" by the eye in cuts between the views, but I do adjust the colors a little bit in post to minimize the differences.

I like the look of the GL2 the best for this type of shooting, but in terms of sharpness, clarity and color saturation the GS200 holds its own very nicely with the other two. I might even soften the sharpness of the Pany footage down a bit, if I wasn't already spending 80 hours or so on each production 8>)

If anything happened to my GS200 I wouldn't hesitate to buy a used Sony TRV22 from eBay. The compact little TRV22 is exceptional in features, and also in low light performance due to its unusual 1/4" CCD, and has electronic image stabilization that actually works. I've bought four of them at an average price of $270 for my high school and have shot them with my own cams in multiple cam shoots. In a role similar to the way I use the Pany they've been fine. In buying from eBay I look for 100% positive feedback based on at least twelve or so transactions, or 99.8% minimum based on many transactions. Never been burned.

David Roseland · April 26th, 2006, 08:32 AM

I use both the GL2 and Panasonic DVC30, both are amazing. The only single chip that compares to the quality right now is the Canon Optura 600. It has a 4MB single chip which gives it the best color recognition of the single chips I've seen. BUT the build is awkward and it's pretty small. I'm gonna get one to use as a stationary back-up but that's it. Price tag - $799 on profeelvideo.com (excellent online shopping)

April 24th, 2006, 07:30 PM	#1
Tony Marino Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 55	One Chip Versus GL-2 Is there any one chip (non HD) made today that has the same excellent picture quality as the GL-2? Is there any way to measure the quality? For example lines of resolution. Thanks, Tony

April 24th, 2006, 09:59 PM	#3
Dale Guthormsen Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Saskatchewan Posts: 3,048	spare camera Tony, David, I have worked on this idea myself. The problem is that by the time you get a one chipper that is of good enough quality you are getting near the price of an actual palyer. The gl2 footage is pretty hard to approach in my opinion. I would look at the more economical three chip panasonics that have 3ccd s: 150 and 250. you might get them cheap used on ebay. __________________ DATS ALL FOLKS Dale W. Guthormsen

April 25th, 2006, 07:41 AM	#4
David Ennis Fred Retread Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Hartford, CT Posts: 1,227	I normally shoot high school concerts and other staged events with 3 cams--a GL2, a Sony VX2100 and a Panasonic GS200 (three chip predecessor of the GS250). I use the Pany up front for dramatic closeup and angled footage, and it is also my workhorse deck unit at home. The three cams are close in color, and I think that most of the difference "forgiven" by the eye in cuts between the views, but I do adjust the colors a little bit in post to minimize the differences. I like the look of the GL2 the best for this type of shooting, but in terms of sharpness, clarity and color saturation the GS200 holds its own very nicely with the other two. I might even soften the sharpness of the Pany footage down a bit, if I wasn't already spending 80 hours or so on each production 8>) If anything happened to my GS200 I wouldn't hesitate to buy a used Sony TRV22 from eBay. The compact little TRV22 is exceptional in features, and also in low light performance due to its unusual 1/4" CCD, and has electronic image stabilization that actually works. I've bought four of them at an average price of $270 for my high school and have shot them with my own cams in multiple cam shoots. In a role similar to the way I use the Pany they've been fine. In buying from eBay I look for 100% positive feedback based on at least twelve or so transactions, or 99.8% minimum based on many transactions. Never been burned. __________________ "Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence..." - Calvin Coolidge "My brain is wired to want to know how other things are wired." - Me

April 24th, 2006, 08:07 PM	#2
David L. Holmes Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Detroit, MI USA Posts: 96	This is a good thread, I am also in the market for a cute cheaper camera to use mostly as a import deck unit, but also a secondary camera where it will be paired with my GL2. Are the new Canon 16:9 1-CCD chippers any good? Or would Sony, or Panasonic be a better camera?

April 26th, 2006, 08:32 AM	#5
David Roseland New Boot Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Cedar Park, TX Posts: 9	I use both the GL2 and Panasonic DVC30, both are amazing. The only single chip that compares to the quality right now is the Canon Optura 600. It has a 4MB single chip which gives it the best color recognition of the single chips I've seen. BUT the build is awkward and it's pretty small. I'm gonna get one to use as a stationary back-up but that's it. Price tag - $799 on profeelvideo.com (excellent online shopping)