Live concert video using gl2, xl1s, and gl1 at DVinfo.net

Barry Goyette · November 13th, 2002, 04:56 PM

My buddy Damon asked me to film a couple of songs from JND's show last Saturday night for a package they are sending to a couple of record companies. We shot live in one take, using the xl1s, gl2, and gl1, in a very crowded club, with little control of the lighting and sound. Sound on this clip comes from the xl1s microphone (a 24 track recording was made, but we're waiting for mixing to be completed.)

All three cameras were in frame mode, with white balance set to default incandescant setting. Custom presets were used to increase sharpness on the gl1 (fixed wide shot) and xl1s(tripod mounted closeup). Custom preset on the gl2(handheld) was 2 steps lower in sharpness, and color phase 2 points green.

Overall the cameras matched beautifully, although the gl1's image needed to be lightened in post. As per Bill's testing, the gl2 picked up the magenta-purple backlighting better than both the gl1 and xl1s. The gl2 also renders the yellow amber colors slightly redder than the other cameras.

Other than getting bumped around a bit, and not having someone to handle the 3rd camera. I was pleased with how all camera's performed. Here's the link.

http://homepage.mac.com/barrygoyette...Theater10.html

Barry

Paul Sedillo · November 18th, 2002, 07:05 PM

Barry,

I have a question for you.

How will you match the 24 track recording in post? I just recently completed a project similar to yours:

http://www.image-studio.com/movies/llsong03.html

The audio was taken from the mixing board into a rack loaded with API mike pre's. Mark Austin (new member) handled the post production and delivered the end mix. What was most time consuming was matching the three cameras to the audio.

I am curious as to what steps you will be taking to accomplish this task.

BTW - Nice footage, I can relate to the issues that you faced in shooting this assignment.

Ken Tanaka · November 18th, 2002, 10:38 PM

Barry,
Very nice camera work, especially considering the environment. Good editing work, too! FCP3?

Barry Goyette · November 19th, 2002, 09:01 AM

Paul

I'm not sure what I'm going to get from them in terms of sound, and my hope is that it just matches up perfectly ; ).....in the past if I've had problems it usually isn't too big a fix....probably easiest to edit to the camera sound and then drop the board mix into the timeline, set some markers, and then adjust its duration if necessary. In my case, we're not going for studio quality sound...we'll actually be mixing the 24 track mixdown with my camera sound to maintain a rougher "live" sound. We're actually going to some lengths to make the tape look "home" produced....(which it basically is)....

On the editing...because it was shot live (and the second camera was operated by the band's attorney--a first timer) I didn't always have good stuff to cut to, so a few edits are a little off the beat. I think it survives on the bands performance. I did use FCP, although I'm still using 2.0...too cheap to upgrade (this from the hardware freak with 3 cams!)

I've got a black and white 2-camera version of one of their accoustic songs that I'll throw up in a little bit.

Barry

Paul Sedillo · November 19th, 2002, 09:10 AM

Barry,

You should really look into upgrading to FCP 3. One of the best FCP users group in the US is based in LA: http://www.lafcpug.org/

I think you will find the upgrade well worth it.

The biggest issue that we had to deal with (regarding sound) was the crowd noise. It as scaled back in post. I went through several edits getting the look and feel I wanted. Once I got the hang of locking down the audio with the video, it was smooth sailing.

Looking forward to seeing your B&W footage.

Michael Buendia · November 19th, 2002, 11:50 AM

barry,

-the bulk of the concert was shot camera left (stage right). was that shot with the xl1s or the gl2? just curious.....

-run kaori run= shot with the xl1s or the gl2. very nice work!

mb4

Barry Goyette · November 19th, 2002, 01:02 PM

The handheld camera at stage right was the gl2, the RKR video was shot on the gl1.

Barry

Michael Buendia · November 19th, 2002, 03:15 PM

if i understand corretcly the bulk of the shots came from the gl2 right? it looked very nice.

mb4

Barry Goyette · November 19th, 2002, 10:15 PM

MB

Yes the main handheld shot was with the gl2...and it performed very well, Although I was very pleased with all three camera's on the shoot.

BG

Peter Moore · November 19th, 2002, 10:54 PM

I am so happy to see the GL2 perform so well. It looks as good as anything on TV. If it was higher resolution, it could pass for HD, IMO.

November 13th, 2002, 04:56 PM	#1
Barry Goyette Trustee Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: San Luis Obispo CA Posts: 1,195	Live concert video using gl2, xl1s, and gl1 My buddy Damon asked me to film a couple of songs from JND's show last Saturday night for a package they are sending to a couple of record companies. We shot live in one take, using the xl1s, gl2, and gl1, in a very crowded club, with little control of the lighting and sound. Sound on this clip comes from the xl1s microphone (a 24 track recording was made, but we're waiting for mixing to be completed.) All three cameras were in frame mode, with white balance set to default incandescant setting. Custom presets were used to increase sharpness on the gl1 (fixed wide shot) and xl1s(tripod mounted closeup). Custom preset on the gl2(handheld) was 2 steps lower in sharpness, and color phase 2 points green. Overall the cameras matched beautifully, although the gl1's image needed to be lightened in post. As per Bill's testing, the gl2 picked up the magenta-purple backlighting better than both the gl1 and xl1s. The gl2 also renders the yellow amber colors slightly redder than the other cameras. Other than getting bumped around a bit, and not having someone to handle the 3rd camera. I was pleased with how all camera's performed. Here's the link. http://homepage.mac.com/barrygoyette...Theater10.html Barry

November 18th, 2002, 07:05 PM	#2
Paul Sedillo Major Player Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 607	Barry, I have a question for you. How will you match the 24 track recording in post? I just recently completed a project similar to yours: http://www.image-studio.com/movies/llsong03.html The audio was taken from the mixing board into a rack loaded with API mike pre's. Mark Austin (new member) handled the post production and delivered the end mix. What was most time consuming was matching the three cameras to the audio. I am curious as to what steps you will be taking to accomplish this task. BTW - Nice footage, I can relate to the issues that you faced in shooting this assignment. __________________ Paul Sedillo Image::Studio http://www.image-studio.com Houston, Texas

November 18th, 2002, 10:38 PM	#3
Ken Tanaka Retired DV Info Net Almunus Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 6,943	Barry, Very nice camera work, especially considering the environment. Good editing work, too! FCP3? __________________ Lady X Films: A lady with a boring wardrobe...and a global mission. Hey, you don't have enough stuff! Buy with confidence from our sponsors. Hand-picked as the best in the business...Really! See some of my work one frame at a time: www.KenTanaka.com

November 19th, 2002, 09:10 AM	#5
Paul Sedillo Major Player Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 607	Barry, You should really look into upgrading to FCP 3. One of the best FCP users group in the US is based in LA: http://www.lafcpug.org/ I think you will find the upgrade well worth it. The biggest issue that we had to deal with (regarding sound) was the crowd noise. It as scaled back in post. I went through several edits getting the look and feel I wanted. Once I got the hang of locking down the audio with the video, it was smooth sailing. Looking forward to seeing your B&W footage. __________________ Paul Sedillo Image::Studio http://www.image-studio.com Houston, Texas

November 19th, 2002, 09:01 AM	#4
Barry Goyette Trustee Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: San Luis Obispo CA Posts: 1,195	Paul I'm not sure what I'm going to get from them in terms of sound, and my hope is that it just matches up perfectly ; ).....in the past if I've had problems it usually isn't too big a fix....probably easiest to edit to the camera sound and then drop the board mix into the timeline, set some markers, and then adjust its duration if necessary. In my case, we're not going for studio quality sound...we'll actually be mixing the 24 track mixdown with my camera sound to maintain a rougher "live" sound. We're actually going to some lengths to make the tape look "home" produced....(which it basically is).... On the editing...because it was shot live (and the second camera was operated by the band's attorney--a first timer) I didn't always have good stuff to cut to, so a few edits are a little off the beat. I think it survives on the bands performance. I did use FCP, although I'm still using 2.0...too cheap to upgrade (this from the hardware freak with 3 cams!) I've got a black and white 2-camera version of one of their accoustic songs that I'll throw up in a little bit. Barry

November 19th, 2002, 11:50 AM	#6
Michael Buendia Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: los angeles, california Posts: 71	barry, -the bulk of the concert was shot camera left (stage right). was that shot with the xl1s or the gl2? just curious..... -run kaori run= shot with the xl1s or the gl2. very nice work! mb4

November 19th, 2002, 01:02 PM	#7
Barry Goyette Trustee Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: San Luis Obispo CA Posts: 1,195	The handheld camera at stage right was the gl2, the RKR video was shot on the gl1. Barry

November 19th, 2002, 03:15 PM	#8
Michael Buendia Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: los angeles, california Posts: 71	if i understand corretcly the bulk of the shots came from the gl2 right? it looked very nice. mb4

November 19th, 2002, 10:15 PM	#9
Barry Goyette Trustee Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: San Luis Obispo CA Posts: 1,195	MB Yes the main handheld shot was with the gl2...and it performed very well, Although I was very pleased with all three camera's on the shoot. BG

November 19th, 2002, 10:54 PM	#10
Peter Moore Trustee Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Arlington VA Posts: 1,034	I am so happy to see the GL2 perform so well. It looks as good as anything on TV. If it was higher resolution, it could pass for HD, IMO.