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mdreyes23 · February 14th, 2002, 08:36 AM

Hi all. I'm brand new to this world but have been doing extensive research for weeks. I'm dying to get my hands dirty but have yet to decide on a DV Camcorder to buy.

I'm leaning towards Canon's GL1 right now since it's high end but cheaper than the XL1S and Sony VX2000.

Anyway, on to my question. I have a widescreen TV and I know the GL1 has the 16x9 squeeze mode which is perfect so that I can playback on my widescreen TV without any loss of resolution. However, my question is regarding video editing. I'm not as familiar with most of the popular video editing software out there but am just now starting to learn. Eventually, what I want to be able to do is transfer the 16x9 footage I've recorded on to my computer to edit. To edit on my pc the software would have to unsqueeze the footage of course. Once I've edited, i'd want to squeeze the footage back (or 'anamorphically encode it' is the other terminology) and either transfer back to my miniDV tape or onto DVD.

So, I'm wondering if that's possible with the current video editing software out there? If so, which video editing software would you recommend?

Thanks for the help!

Rob Lohman · February 15th, 2002, 05:27 AM

On the PC Adobe Premiere supports 16:9 anormphic
footage. It will display the footage correctly! Most
products have a demo version available, try them before
you buy!

Michael Wisniewski · July 1st, 2002, 10:12 PM

Does the GL2 - 16:9 Electronic Anamorphic mode crop the image or does it act more like the Century Optics 16:9 widescreen adapter and take in a larger image?

I need to get another MiniDV camcorder within the next 8 months and if possible would love to have the truer 16:9 built-in.

http://www.canondv.com/gl2/f_aspect_ratios.html
http://www.centuryoptics.com/products/video/digital/dig16-9.html

Chris Hurd · July 1st, 2002, 10:24 PM

The electronic 16:9 process on any of these prosumer camcorders, including the GL2, VX2000, PD150, XL1S etc. is always inferior to an optical anamorphic adapter solution.

You only get "true" 16:9 chips when you step up to the professional 2/3" CCD cameras such as the Sony DSR500, JVC GY-DV700, and Panasonic AJ-D600, each more than $10,000 plus lens. Hope this helps,

Michael Wisniewski · July 1st, 2002, 10:35 PM

Thanks Chris, yes that helps, I can't afford the "true" 16:9 yet, but I can afford a GL-2 with a Century Optics 16:9 lense.

Chris Hurd · July 1st, 2002, 10:49 PM

I see you're in the Big Apple -- drop by the Javits Center in two weeks for MacWorld and say hi at the Canon booth!

Michael Wisniewski · July 1st, 2002, 10:57 PM

Will do!

August 17th, 2002, 12:56 AM

hello there,
well, I cant take the suspense any longer.
How did that century 16:9 work out for you?

I was also wondering about the best low cost 16:9 solution.
What about shooting in 4:3 and changeing the ratio in an edit program like FCP. A masking option here will presumably be better than a compression solution, no?
Also seems like the GL2 comes with 16: 9 guide lines in the flip out as an option.

nida sinn

Michael Wisniewski · August 19th, 2002, 04:07 PM

Haven't gotten it yet, it's on my list of future acquisitions.

Trevor Craig · August 22nd, 2002, 03:37 AM

I have tried shooting some scenery in Normal 4:3 mode and then in 16:9 mode. I find that the quality of the 16:9 image is inferior to the 4:3 mode by quite a margin. I actually find that shooting in 4:3 mode and stretching it using the TV's 16:9 mode to 16:9 retains all the sharpness albiet with a slightly unnatural look to the picture. Has anyone else found this to be their experience shooting in 16:9 mode or do I need to adjust some setting to fix this problem. What difference would I have if I bought a 16:0 lens adapter for this camera.

Michael Wisniewski · August 22nd, 2002, 11:51 AM

This thread might be helpful:

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2591

Rob Lohman · August 23rd, 2002, 05:10 AM

A 16:9 anamorphic attachment will not degrade your quality
(if the quality of the attachment is okay ofcourse).

Peter Moore · October 14th, 2002, 12:15 PM

I was wondering if anyone has tried either the Century or Optex 16:9 anamorphic lens adapter with the GL2? What were your experiences? Specifically I'm curious if there was a bad vignetting effect and if so what zoom-ranges were actually usable with the lens? Did you have to zoom in very close?

Thanks!

Frank Granovski · October 18th, 2002, 11:36 PM

I've never used one of these, but from what I know The Century is the best one. Perhaps contact Century and ask them for the details.

Brad Higerd · January 10th, 2003, 11:16 PM

Does it exist, and who sells it?

February 14th, 2002, 08:36 AM	#1
mdreyes23 Registration Incomplete -- contact Admin. Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Virginia Posts: 108	16x9 Editing Help Hi all. I'm brand new to this world but have been doing extensive research for weeks. I'm dying to get my hands dirty but have yet to decide on a DV Camcorder to buy. I'm leaning towards Canon's GL1 right now since it's high end but cheaper than the XL1S and Sony VX2000. Anyway, on to my question. I have a widescreen TV and I know the GL1 has the 16x9 squeeze mode which is perfect so that I can playback on my widescreen TV without any loss of resolution. However, my question is regarding video editing. I'm not as familiar with most of the popular video editing software out there but am just now starting to learn. Eventually, what I want to be able to do is transfer the 16x9 footage I've recorded on to my computer to edit. To edit on my pc the software would have to unsqueeze the footage of course. Once I've edited, i'd want to squeeze the footage back (or 'anamorphically encode it' is the other terminology) and either transfer back to my miniDV tape or onto DVD. So, I'm wondering if that's possible with the current video editing software out there? If so, which video editing software would you recommend? Thanks for the help!

February 15th, 2002, 05:27 AM	#2
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	On the PC Adobe Premiere supports 16:9 anormphic footage. It will display the footage correctly! Most products have a demo version available, try them before you buy! __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

July 1st, 2002, 10:12 PM	#3
Michael Wisniewski Wrangler Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Makati, Metro Manila Posts: 2,706 Images: 32	GL2: 16:9 Electronic Anamorphic vs. Century Optics 16:9 widescreen lense Does the GL2 - 16:9 Electronic Anamorphic mode crop the image or does it act more like the Century Optics 16:9 widescreen adapter and take in a larger image? I need to get another MiniDV camcorder within the next 8 months and if possible would love to have the truer 16:9 built-in. http://www.canondv.com/gl2/f_aspect_ratios.html http://www.centuryoptics.com/products/video/digital/dig16-9.html

July 1st, 2002, 10:24 PM	#4
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,366 Images: 513	The electronic 16:9 process on any of these prosumer camcorders, including the GL2, VX2000, PD150, XL1S etc. is always inferior to an optical anamorphic adapter solution. You only get "true" 16:9 chips when you step up to the professional 2/3" CCD cameras such as the Sony DSR500, JVC GY-DV700, and Panasonic AJ-D600, each more than $10,000 plus lens. Hope this helps, __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

July 1st, 2002, 10:49 PM	#6
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,366 Images: 513	I see you're in the Big Apple -- drop by the Javits Center in two weeks for MacWorld and say hi at the Canon booth! __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

July 1st, 2002, 10:35 PM	#5
Michael Wisniewski Wrangler Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Makati, Metro Manila Posts: 2,706 Images: 32	Thanks Chris, yes that helps, I can't afford the "true" 16:9 yet, but I can afford a GL-2 with a Century Optics 16:9 lense.

July 1st, 2002, 10:57 PM	#7
Michael Wisniewski Wrangler Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Makati, Metro Manila Posts: 2,706 Images: 32	Will do!

August 17th, 2002, 12:56 AM	#8
nida sinn Posts: n/a	hello there, well, I cant take the suspense any longer. How did that century 16:9 work out for you? I was also wondering about the best low cost 16:9 solution. What about shooting in 4:3 and changeing the ratio in an edit program like FCP. A masking option here will presumably be better than a compression solution, no? Also seems like the GL2 comes with 16: 9 guide lines in the flip out as an option. nida sinn

August 19th, 2002, 04:07 PM	#9
Michael Wisniewski Wrangler Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Makati, Metro Manila Posts: 2,706 Images: 32	Haven't gotten it yet, it's on my list of future acquisitions.

August 22nd, 2002, 03:37 AM	#10
Trevor Craig Tourist Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Helens Bay, N.Ireland Posts: 2	Quality of image shot in 16;9 mode I have tried shooting some scenery in Normal 4:3 mode and then in 16:9 mode. I find that the quality of the 16:9 image is inferior to the 4:3 mode by quite a margin. I actually find that shooting in 4:3 mode and stretching it using the TV's 16:9 mode to 16:9 retains all the sharpness albiet with a slightly unnatural look to the picture. Has anyone else found this to be their experience shooting in 16:9 mode or do I need to adjust some setting to fix this problem. What difference would I have if I bought a 16:0 lens adapter for this camera.

August 22nd, 2002, 11:51 AM	#11
Michael Wisniewski Wrangler Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Makati, Metro Manila Posts: 2,706 Images: 32	This thread might be helpful: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2591

August 23rd, 2002, 05:10 AM	#12
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	A 16:9 anamorphic attachment will not degrade your quality (if the quality of the attachment is okay ofcourse). __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

October 14th, 2002, 12:15 PM	#13
Peter Moore Trustee Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Arlington VA Posts: 1,034	16:9 Anamorphic Adapter + Gl2 I was wondering if anyone has tried either the Century or Optex 16:9 anamorphic lens adapter with the GL2? What were your experiences? Specifically I'm curious if there was a bad vignetting effect and if so what zoom-ranges were actually usable with the lens? Did you have to zoom in very close? Thanks!

October 18th, 2002, 11:36 PM	#14
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	I've never used one of these, but from what I know The Century is the best one. Perhaps contact Century and ask them for the details.

January 10th, 2003, 11:16 PM	#15
Brad Higerd Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 186	Anamorphic 16:9 Adaptor For The GL2 Does it exist, and who sells it?