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Jason Gurwin · May 31st, 2004, 07:28 AM

Is the Accessory Shoe built on to the GL2?

Graham Bernard · May 31st, 2004, 08:05 AM

The accessory "hot-shoe" - that is it is a multi-pin affair doing several jobs - is integral to the cammie. Other accessory shoes can be mounted within this OR from the MA300 OR from using a totally alternative arrangement. There are many options. BUT once you have introduced a "cold" device into the hot-shoe you, of course, will have isolated anything that could have made use of this hot-shoe facility/option.

Counter question for you .. . Why do you want to know? What have got planned for this accessory/hot-shoe? You may need to explore some other alternatives.

I'm intrigued by your question

Grazie

Jason Gurwin · May 31st, 2004, 08:41 AM

I may want to add a mic or light to the camera.

Graham Bernard · May 31st, 2004, 11:13 AM

Jason,

I've put together some links. One showing the MA300 Audio adaptor. Others have their own opinion about this gadget, but it does slide into the top hot shoe, provide 2 XLR adpators, a BNC option, an offset "cold-clamp" for a a mic and atop of this an option to slide in a lamp. I use the Pag Light C6 system - 20 watts of assistance to the XM2 which without would leave my cammie "squinting" or peering into the dark . . .

Okay, the reason for the links is that you may wish to really seriously contemplate which way you want to go . . You could, of course get a Beechtek audio adaptor to place underneath the cammie . . . there are others too .. do a search here abouts. You could also just get a mic that plugs directly into the side of the cammie . . and get yourself a Canon 3 watt lamp to slide into the hjot shoe .. I bought one .. only good for the first 3'-4' of a dark situation. Now with the Pag light its the way I go . . . I use the MA300 and slide in a Senni 66 + K6 module . . I've also got the Senni wireless mic system. This goes into the "other" XLR inpout . .. OKay, the reason I'm spelling out all this "stuff" is that you should really think long and hard aboput which way - often for me it was budget - you wish to choose. Betcha what though? You gonna make some buying decisions that you can't get back from .. . I've done it .. the VL3 3 watt lamp and a totally useless 12 watt lamp ! Barmy! Cost me £100 all told . . I didn't listen to my chums here . .

Here are the links:

http://www.dvinfo.net/canongl2/articles/topfive.php

http://www.videodirect.com/canon/digcc/gl2.html

http://www.videodirect.com/canon/digcc/acc-gl2.html

Hope this helps,

Grazie

Jason Gurwin · June 1st, 2004, 08:24 PM

Thank you very much!

Brian Miller · June 2nd, 2004, 08:11 AM

I have a follow-up question on this topic...

Is there any way to add a second "S" (as Canon refers to it 'Advanced Accessory Shoe') hot shoe, or a "S" splitter to the camera? I have a VL-3 light, an MA-300 and an Azden shotgun mic that doesn't need the "S" shoe, which I would like to use together. All of the multiple 'cold' shoe splitters out there will render the VL-3 inoperable.

I am contemplating outfitting my bicycle helmet with a microphone mount so I can use both the Azden and the VL-3, but such an outfit won't work too well at formal events when I am working solo.

I sure wish they had put a hot mount on top of the MA-300!

Thanks.

Graham Bernard · June 2nd, 2004, 08:45 AM

<<<-- Originally posted by Brian Miller : I have a follow-up question on this topic...

I am contemplating outfitting my bicycle helmet with a microphone mount so I can use both the Azden and the VL-3, but such an outfit won't work too well at formal events when I am working solo. -->>>

. .Ken is this chap pulling my leg!?!?! I needed a larf . . .

Yes, the MA300 knocks out the hot shoe for the VL3. A double hotshoe? I haven't seen one . ..

Grazie .. .

Brian Miller · June 2nd, 2004, 11:15 PM

Graham -

Yes, I am pulling your leg. However, I haven't come up with any other solutions yet, and was hoping someone here could suggest something. I don't use the bicycle helmet much anymore though, and would love to give it a new purpose in life.

I think a shoulder mount for the microphone may be too intimidating - would remind people of that 'Predator' monster from those silly movies.

I think finding an accessory shoe assembly that attaches to the camera from the tripod mount underneath would do the trick best. I seem to remember having an old one buried around here from my still photography days.

Graham Bernard · June 2nd, 2004, 11:24 PM

I knew that! .. I think . .?

Love the Predator image . . Just think of turning up at a Wedding . . or Baptism .. or Barmitzah? - Shred the last idea . .the Boy would probably think it was way to koooollll ! ! ! . . Now, on second thoughts . . hmmmm.....

Grazie . . . .

Ken Tanaka · June 2nd, 2004, 11:27 PM

Brian,
If you do not need to use the power and electronic connections of the "S" shoe there are many ways to expand to accommodate an on-cam mic and on-cam light. Frankly, that's about the only way you'll be able to use a usable on-cam light. The idea regarding a bracket with a shoe is the way to go if this is your objective.

Brian Miller · June 2nd, 2004, 11:39 PM

>Just think of turning up at a Wedding . . or Baptism .. or Barmitzah? - Shred the last idea . .the Boy would probably think it was way to koooollll ! ! !

Funny you should mention it, but I leave tomorrow morning for my first official shoot - a Bar Mitzvah in Baltimore!

Graham Bernard · June 2nd, 2004, 11:56 PM

Brian:

1 - Make sure you KNOW and FILM the grandparents - I know! I have the scars of experience on this one . . .

2 - Two camera shoot? - Be sure of your filming schedule with both cameras - yeah?

3 - Make sure you get the Boy's reactions to things . .

4 - Get from the hosts the "planned" schedule . . . often it goes South at some point .. .

HAVE FUN!

Grazie

Alan McCormick · June 3rd, 2004, 11:50 PM

Came across this on another forum, no ide what it is like but allows up to 3 accesories.

here

Ken Tanaka · June 4th, 2004, 12:07 AM

"Antler" is a good description of that gizmo. Wow! Load that baby up and people will be running from you! <g>

Graham Bernard · June 4th, 2004, 12:28 AM

Alan, thank you . . "Monarch of the Glen" comes to mind . . how apt! . . Just thought of that . .

Ken .. very funny! Something like this eh? http://www.skullsunlimited.com/graph...r-skull-lg.jpg

Seriously, this if funcion over form - and in my opinon it looks clumsy and ugly . . . I suspect a lot of leverage down at the bottom joint, the idea of hanging stuff of the edges . . ppphhoorrgh . .not for me . . Alan I did see this some time back. As you know and have seen my MA300, I'm still aware of the leverage "moment" down at the actual foot when I stack stuff on top - Senni MK66 and the Senni reciever AND now the Paglight . . .

Lets face facts here. The XM2 does a lot and some .. but without some serious home engineering I can't think of a secure way of securing everything I want on this cammie AND be able to get to the controls . .. I think Sony's PD170 use of having the XLR options fixed atop comes close to a best compromise - yeah?

Grazie

May 31st, 2004, 07:28 AM	#1
Jason Gurwin Regular Crew Join Date: May 2004 Location: United States Posts: 33	Accessory Shoe Is the Accessory Shoe built on to the GL2?

May 31st, 2004, 08:05 AM	#2
Graham Bernard Old Boot Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: London UK Posts: 3,633	New Shoes for Old The accessory "hot-shoe" - that is it is a multi-pin affair doing several jobs - is integral to the cammie. Other accessory shoes can be mounted within this OR from the MA300 OR from using a totally alternative arrangement. There are many options. BUT once you have introduced a "cold" device into the hot-shoe you, of course, will have isolated anything that could have made use of this hot-shoe facility/option. Counter question for you .. . Why do you want to know? What have got planned for this accessory/hot-shoe? You may need to explore some other alternatives. I'm intrigued by your question Grazie

June 2nd, 2004, 08:45 AM	#7
Graham Bernard Old Boot Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: London UK Posts: 3,633	Ken, please read . . . haha! <<<-- Originally posted by Brian Miller : I have a follow-up question on this topic... I am contemplating outfitting my bicycle helmet with a microphone mount so I can use both the Azden and the VL-3, but such an outfit won't work too well at formal events when I am working solo. -->>> . .Ken is this chap pulling my leg!?!?! I needed a larf . . . Yes, the MA300 knocks out the hot shoe for the VL3. A double hotshoe? I haven't seen one . .. Grazie .. .

June 2nd, 2004, 11:27 PM	#10
Ken Tanaka Retired DV Info Net Almunus Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 6,943	Brian, If you do not need to use the power and electronic connections of the "S" shoe there are many ways to expand to accommodate an on-cam mic and on-cam light. Frankly, that's about the only way you'll be able to use a usable on-cam light. The idea regarding a bracket with a shoe is the way to go if this is your objective. __________________ Lady X Films: A lady with a boring wardrobe...and a global mission. Hey, you don't have enough stuff! Buy with confidence from our sponsors. Hand-picked as the best in the business...Really! See some of my work one frame at a time: www.KenTanaka.com

June 3rd, 2004, 11:50 PM	#13
Alan McCormick Major Player Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Chatham, UK Posts: 282	Antler Shoe Came across this on another forum, no ide what it is like but allows up to 3 accesories. here __________________ Alan McC

May 31st, 2004, 08:41 AM	#3
Jason Gurwin Regular Crew Join Date: May 2004 Location: United States Posts: 33	I may want to add a mic or light to the camera.

May 31st, 2004, 11:13 AM	#4
Graham Bernard Old Boot Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: London UK Posts: 3,633	Jason, I've put together some links. One showing the MA300 Audio adaptor. Others have their own opinion about this gadget, but it does slide into the top hot shoe, provide 2 XLR adpators, a BNC option, an offset "cold-clamp" for a a mic and atop of this an option to slide in a lamp. I use the Pag Light C6 system - 20 watts of assistance to the XM2 which without would leave my cammie "squinting" or peering into the dark . . . Okay, the reason for the links is that you may wish to really seriously contemplate which way you want to go . . You could, of course get a Beechtek audio adaptor to place underneath the cammie . . . there are others too .. do a search here abouts. You could also just get a mic that plugs directly into the side of the cammie . . and get yourself a Canon 3 watt lamp to slide into the hjot shoe .. I bought one .. only good for the first 3'-4' of a dark situation. Now with the Pag light its the way I go . . . I use the MA300 and slide in a Senni 66 + K6 module . . I've also got the Senni wireless mic system. This goes into the "other" XLR inpout . .. OKay, the reason I'm spelling out all this "stuff" is that you should really think long and hard aboput which way - often for me it was budget - you wish to choose. Betcha what though? You gonna make some buying decisions that you can't get back from .. . I've done it .. the VL3 3 watt lamp and a totally useless 12 watt lamp ! Barmy! Cost me £100 all told . . I didn't listen to my chums here . . Here are the links: http://www.dvinfo.net/canongl2/articles/topfive.php http://www.videodirect.com/canon/digcc/gl2.html http://www.videodirect.com/canon/digcc/acc-gl2.html Hope this helps, Grazie

June 1st, 2004, 08:24 PM	#5
Jason Gurwin Regular Crew Join Date: May 2004 Location: United States Posts: 33	Thank you very much!

June 2nd, 2004, 08:11 AM	#6
Brian Miller Regular Crew Join Date: May 2004 Location: Lafayette, CO Posts: 46	I have a follow-up question on this topic... Is there any way to add a second "S" (as Canon refers to it 'Advanced Accessory Shoe') hot shoe, or a "S" splitter to the camera? I have a VL-3 light, an MA-300 and an Azden shotgun mic that doesn't need the "S" shoe, which I would like to use together. All of the multiple 'cold' shoe splitters out there will render the VL-3 inoperable. I am contemplating outfitting my bicycle helmet with a microphone mount so I can use both the Azden and the VL-3, but such an outfit won't work too well at formal events when I am working solo. I sure wish they had put a hot mount on top of the MA-300! Thanks.

June 2nd, 2004, 11:15 PM	#8
Brian Miller Regular Crew Join Date: May 2004 Location: Lafayette, CO Posts: 46	Graham - Yes, I am pulling your leg. However, I haven't come up with any other solutions yet, and was hoping someone here could suggest something. I don't use the bicycle helmet much anymore though, and would love to give it a new purpose in life. I think a shoulder mount for the microphone may be too intimidating - would remind people of that 'Predator' monster from those silly movies. I think finding an accessory shoe assembly that attaches to the camera from the tripod mount underneath would do the trick best. I seem to remember having an old one buried around here from my still photography days.

June 2nd, 2004, 11:24 PM	#9
Graham Bernard Old Boot Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: London UK Posts: 3,633	I knew that! .. I think . .? Love the Predator image . . Just think of turning up at a Wedding . . or Baptism .. or Barmitzah? - Shred the last idea . .the Boy would probably think it was way to koooollll ! ! ! . . Now, on second thoughts . . hmmmm..... Grazie . . . .

June 2nd, 2004, 11:39 PM	#11
Brian Miller Regular Crew Join Date: May 2004 Location: Lafayette, CO Posts: 46	>Just think of turning up at a Wedding . . or Baptism .. or Barmitzah? - Shred the last idea . .the Boy would probably think it was way to koooollll ! ! ! Funny you should mention it, but I leave tomorrow morning for my first official shoot - a Bar Mitzvah in Baltimore!

June 2nd, 2004, 11:56 PM	#12
Graham Bernard Old Boot Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: London UK Posts: 3,633	Brian: 1 - Make sure you KNOW and FILM the grandparents - I know! I have the scars of experience on this one . . . 2 - Two camera shoot? - Be sure of your filming schedule with both cameras - yeah? 3 - Make sure you get the Boy's reactions to things . . 4 - Get from the hosts the "planned" schedule . . . often it goes South at some point .. . HAVE FUN! Grazie

June 4th, 2004, 12:07 AM	#14
Ken Tanaka Retired DV Info Net Almunus Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 6,943	"Antler" is a good description of that gizmo. Wow! Load that baby up and people will be running from you! <g> __________________ Lady X Films: A lady with a boring wardrobe...and a global mission. Hey, you don't have enough stuff! Buy with confidence from our sponsors. Hand-picked as the best in the business...Really! See some of my work one frame at a time: www.KenTanaka.com

June 4th, 2004, 12:28 AM	#15
Graham Bernard Old Boot Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: London UK Posts: 3,633	Caught on the Horns of a Dialema! Alan, thank you . . "Monarch of the Glen" comes to mind . . how apt! . . Just thought of that . . Ken .. very funny! Something like this eh? http://www.skullsunlimited.com/graph...r-skull-lg.jpg Seriously, this if funcion over form - and in my opinon it looks clumsy and ugly . . . I suspect a lot of leverage down at the bottom joint, the idea of hanging stuff of the edges . . ppphhoorrgh . .not for me . . Alan I did see this some time back. As you know and have seen my MA300, I'm still aware of the leverage "moment" down at the actual foot when I stack stuff on top - Senni MK66 and the Senni reciever AND now the Paglight . . . Lets face facts here. The XM2 does a lot and some .. but without some serious home engineering I can't think of a secure way of securing everything I want on this cammie AND be able to get to the controls . .. I think Sony's PD170 use of having the XLR options fixed atop comes close to a best compromise - yeah? Grazie