Various GL1 / XM1 questions

Don Palomaki · May 16th, 2002, 02:23 PM

As a first step, try the MIC ATT setting. That should help with the saturation of the inputs and overdriving the AGC, at least to SPL of around 125 dB or so.

Beyond that , you will need a quality mic to cope with live rock band sound levels. One that tha reach over 125 dB SPC with low distortion. Many modest priced condensor shotguns pass the 1% harmonic distortion level under 120 dB SPL.

May 16th, 2002, 05:08 PM

I would generally like to go the cheapest route, but if needed I will save some bucks for equipment because the sound I have so far is simply horrid. Alot of the set ups are quite shoddy and there is no PA to run a line from, so basically I need some type of mic system. Im no audio expert and have no clue what direction to go in and with how much money. thanks.

Chris Hurd · May 16th, 2002, 05:39 PM

I would like to get more of you guys down under on board here. Try posting a want-to-buy ad in the Private Classifieds forum.

Marcus Farrar · May 21st, 2002, 09:00 AM

Greetings

I am about to purchase a GL-1 to compliment my XL-1 on video shoots. I was searching around for a good deal and came across a site way lower than the rest http://www.bwayphoto.com/.

Has anyone had any bad run ins with Broadway Photo or is this just a good deal. They are advertising for $1350, and when you add in the Canon $250 rebate you have $1100. That's almost to good to be true.

Any suggestions.

Chris Hurd · May 21st, 2002, 09:26 AM

Howdy from Texas,

Stay far, far away from that place. It's a bait and switch rip-off. Generally, if the price seems to good to be true, then it is.

See my post about this in the XL1 forum:
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?s=&threadid=22

Consider making your purchase from my sponsors who support these boards, making it possible for you to use them to ask these sorts of questions.

Three of my sponsors can get a GL1 for you: Pro-Tape, ZGC and Zotz Digital. Go to my site at www.dvinfo.net and click on "sponsors." The GL1 has a factory rebate of $250 and these dealers will help facilitate that. Hope this helps,

Ed Smith · May 21st, 2002, 10:01 AM

As Chris says stay away from them, and go for a reputable dealer like the sponsors who bring you this wonderful site.

There was another discussion about Broadway photo, on another thread:

http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?s=&threadid=278

All the best in your search,

Ed Smith

May 21st, 2002, 01:45 PM

I called Broadway. I asked about the camera being "grey" market and they avoided the question twice. Turns out if the camera were any darker grey it would be black........sold without battery or any accessories. And guys were not pleasant to deal with at all. They were way overpriced on a MACK warranty too.
I have always dealt with B&H for photography gear , but they are charging us NJ people taxx now, so I called Zots and was very happy with the conversation I have with them. I have not ordered yet, but am leaning toward doing it soon and will call zots again.

jeffyr

May 21st, 2002, 07:13 PM

Hello,

I think i'm ready to plunge into GL1 market! I've tried reading as much as I can, and making the "right" decision to purchase a DV camcorder. So anyways... I'm looking for some final suggestions and tips from you GL1 users, as far as what accessories to purchase. I'd like to use the GL1 to make movie shorts, and possibly some event films, such as weddings, sporting events, etc...

I'm planning on purchasing a GL1 with the following accessories:
- Bogen/Manfrotto 3221 w/either the 3063 or 3130 micro fluid head
- Spare batteries and tapes (of course)
- UV filters (suggestions on brands? I was thinking crystal optics)
- Upgrade the mic (suggestions?)
- XLR adapter (need suggestions here! :) )
- A decent carrying bag (?)

Hmm, I'd love any suggestions and pricing for the above along with any other accessories you guys can recommend.

What do you guys think about Wide angle lenses, shoulder harnesses, etc... Are they useful at all? If so, in what type of conditions?

Oh yeah, in the future I'd love to get an underwater housing for the GL1, so I can take it scuba diving in Belize!! :-p

Thanks guys, I'd appreciate all the info I can get!

-Tim

p.s. - Oh yeah, The pricing seems good for th

Marius Svendsen · May 22nd, 2002, 08:49 AM

Any place I can call or write to order the Canon Xm-1(GL-1)...I need PAL since I live in Europe.
Need a good price too.

Ken Tanaka · May 22nd, 2002, 10:11 AM

For what it's worth, Zotz Digital is a good shop. I purchased my first XL1 from them.

Chris Hurd · May 22nd, 2002, 12:57 PM

In my opinion the most valuable tool you can get, especially when doing any type of tripod work, is a remote lens controller. I have several reviews on my sites at www.dvinfo.net and www.dvinfo.net/xl1.htm for various controllers from VariZoom, and Don Palomaki submitted one about the Canon ZR1000. All will work with the GL1. These things are worth their weight in gold in my opinion and I'll never shoot without one. Check 'em out.

Don Palomaki · May 22nd, 2002, 02:37 PM

Consider the 501 head (3433). it is better than either the 3130, 3160, or the 3063 for a few dollars more.

The Studio One Pro is probably a slightly the better XLR adapter (relative to the Beachtek). But ergonomics of cable attachment may be important to you.

The Sennheiser ME66 is a popular and high quality external shotgun mic. But do you need stereo? If so, check the AT-822, it can plug directly into the GL1, or the AT825 that uses XLR conectors.

For weddings a wireless mic is more valuable than a good shotgun mic. Consider the UHF multi frequency diversity models. Samson for one at a moderate price point.

Attach filters only when you need to. They can add stray reflections and collect dirt that can show up in the video when shooting at a small aperture.

May 28th, 2002, 08:51 AM

Hi, This is my first message as I just joined the group and my GL 1 is on its way from B&H NY. I saved the tax by shipping it to Rhode Island .
I escaped from the Broadway deal of 1350 after I called them and found out the price is after the $250 rebate and with no accessories !!! That is , if you add up the price for all accessories which comes with the price it exceeds the sales price of any authorised dealer !

Marcus Farrar · May 28th, 2002, 09:59 AM

I have read a lot or reviews about this company and most of them are negative. They confirm what everyone is saying in the thread. Thanks for the heads up on this one. I will be going with a more reputable company. I called Broadway Photo myself. The sales person gave me the accesory spill. Can you believe they don't even send a lens cap with the advertised Gl-1. Please that company is a big rip off. You can not get the rebate with that item and it dose not come with the factory warrenty. I had to call and check it out myself just to see for myself. I am glad I did not order with them.

arenhansen · May 31st, 2002, 04:07 PM

Hi,

Which wide angle adap. should I get for my GL-1? Tx,
Aren.

May 16th, 2002, 05:39 PM	#168
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	I would like to get more of you guys down under on board here. Try posting a want-to-buy ad in the Private Classifieds forum. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

May 21st, 2002, 09:00 AM	#169
Marcus Farrar Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Raleigh, NC USA Posts: 110	GL-1 low sale price Greetings I am about to purchase a GL-1 to compliment my XL-1 on video shoots. I was searching around for a good deal and came across a site way lower than the rest http://www.bwayphoto.com/. Has anyone had any bad run ins with Broadway Photo or is this just a good deal. They are advertising for $1350, and when you add in the Canon $250 rebate you have $1100. That's almost to good to be true. Any suggestions. __________________ Marcus Farrar Production Director Katana Productions www.katanapro.com

May 21st, 2002, 09:26 AM	#170
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	Howdy from Texas, Stay far, far away from that place. It's a bait and switch rip-off. Generally, if the price seems to good to be true, then it is. See my post about this in the XL1 forum: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?s=&threadid=22 Consider making your purchase from my sponsors who support these boards, making it possible for you to use them to ask these sorts of questions. Three of my sponsors can get a GL1 for you: Pro-Tape, ZGC and Zotz Digital. Go to my site at www.dvinfo.net and click on "sponsors." The GL1 has a factory rebate of $250 and these dealers will help facilitate that. Hope this helps, __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

May 21st, 2002, 01:45 PM	#172
jeffyr163 Posts: n/a	I called Broadway I called Broadway. I asked about the camera being "grey" market and they avoided the question twice. Turns out if the camera were any darker grey it would be black........sold without battery or any accessories. And guys were not pleasant to deal with at all. They were way overpriced on a MACK warranty too. I have always dealt with B&H for photography gear , but they are charging us NJ people taxx now, so I called Zots and was very happy with the conversation I have with them. I have not ordered yet, but am leaning toward doing it soon and will call zots again. jeffyr

May 21st, 2002, 07:13 PM	#173
tkeeler33 Posts: n/a	GL1 Accessories Hello, I think i'm ready to plunge into GL1 market! I've tried reading as much as I can, and making the "right" decision to purchase a DV camcorder. So anyways... I'm looking for some final suggestions and tips from you GL1 users, as far as what accessories to purchase. I'd like to use the GL1 to make movie shorts, and possibly some event films, such as weddings, sporting events, etc... I'm planning on purchasing a GL1 with the following accessories: - Bogen/Manfrotto 3221 w/either the 3063 or 3130 micro fluid head - Spare batteries and tapes (of course) - UV filters (suggestions on brands? I was thinking crystal optics) - Upgrade the mic (suggestions?) - XLR adapter (need suggestions here! :) ) - A decent carrying bag (?) Hmm, I'd love any suggestions and pricing for the above along with any other accessories you guys can recommend. What do you guys think about Wide angle lenses, shoulder harnesses, etc... Are they useful at all? If so, in what type of conditions? Oh yeah, in the future I'd love to get an underwater housing for the GL1, so I can take it scuba diving in Belize!! :-p Thanks guys, I'd appreciate all the info I can get! -Tim p.s. - Oh yeah, The pricing seems good for th

May 16th, 2002, 02:23 PM	#166
Don Palomaki Wrangler Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Northern VA Posts: 4,488	As a first step, try the MIC ATT setting. That should help with the saturation of the inputs and overdriving the AGC, at least to SPL of around 125 dB or so. Beyond that , you will need a quality mic to cope with live rock band sound levels. One that tha reach over 125 dB SPC with low distortion. Many modest priced condensor shotguns pass the 1% harmonic distortion level under 120 dB SPL.

May 16th, 2002, 05:08 PM	#167
HVproductions Posts: n/a	I would generally like to go the cheapest route, but if needed I will save some bucks for equipment because the sound I have so far is simply horrid. Alot of the set ups are quite shoddy and there is no PA to run a line from, so basically I need some type of mic system. Im no audio expert and have no clue what direction to go in and with how much money. thanks.

May 21st, 2002, 10:01 AM	#171
Ed Smith Wrangler Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hampshire, England Posts: 1,545	As Chris says stay away from them, and go for a reputable dealer like the sponsors who bring you this wonderful site. There was another discussion about Broadway photo, on another thread: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?s=&threadid=278 All the best in your search, Ed Smith

May 22nd, 2002, 08:49 AM	#174
Marius Svendsen Regular Crew Join Date: May 2002 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 79	Any place I can call or write to order the Canon Xm-1(GL-1)...I need PAL since I live in Europe. Need a good price too. __________________ Marius Svendsen Interlaced Media svendsen_ms@hotmail.com

May 22nd, 2002, 10:11 AM	#175
Ken Tanaka Retired DV Info Net Almunus Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 6,943	For what it's worth, Zotz Digital is a good shop. I purchased my first XL1 from them. __________________ Lady X Films: A lady with a boring wardrobe...and a global mission. Hey, you don't have enough stuff! Buy with confidence from our sponsors. Hand-picked as the best in the business...Really! See some of my work one frame at a time: www.KenTanaka.com

May 22nd, 2002, 12:57 PM	#176
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	In my opinion the most valuable tool you can get, especially when doing any type of tripod work, is a remote lens controller. I have several reviews on my sites at www.dvinfo.net and www.dvinfo.net/xl1.htm for various controllers from VariZoom, and Don Palomaki submitted one about the Canon ZR1000. All will work with the GL1. These things are worth their weight in gold in my opinion and I'll never shoot without one. Check 'em out. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

May 22nd, 2002, 02:37 PM	#177
Don Palomaki Wrangler Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Northern VA Posts: 4,488	Consider the 501 head (3433). it is better than either the 3130, 3160, or the 3063 for a few dollars more. The Studio One Pro is probably a slightly the better XLR adapter (relative to the Beachtek). But ergonomics of cable attachment may be important to you. The Sennheiser ME66 is a popular and high quality external shotgun mic. But do you need stereo? If so, check the AT-822, it can plug directly into the GL1, or the AT825 that uses XLR conectors. For weddings a wireless mic is more valuable than a good shotgun mic. Consider the UHF multi frequency diversity models. Samson for one at a moderate price point. Attach filters only when you need to. They can add stray reflections and collect dirt that can show up in the video when shooting at a small aperture.

May 28th, 2002, 08:51 AM	#178
anand_k_nair Posts: n/a	Hi, This is my first message as I just joined the group and my GL 1 is on its way from B&H NY. I saved the tax by shipping it to Rhode Island . I escaped from the Broadway deal of 1350 after I called them and found out the price is after the $250 rebate and with no accessories !!! That is , if you add up the price for all accessories which comes with the price it exceeds the sales price of any authorised dealer !

May 28th, 2002, 09:59 AM	#179
Marcus Farrar Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Raleigh, NC USA Posts: 110	I have read a lot or reviews about this company and most of them are negative. They confirm what everyone is saying in the thread. Thanks for the heads up on this one. I will be going with a more reputable company. I called Broadway Photo myself. The sales person gave me the accesory spill. Can you believe they don't even send a lens cap with the advertised Gl-1. Please that company is a big rip off. You can not get the rebate with that item and it dose not come with the factory warrenty. I had to call and check it out myself just to see for myself. I am glad I did not order with them. __________________ Marcus Farrar Production Director Katana Productions www.katanapro.com

May 31st, 2002, 04:07 PM	#180
arenhansen New Boot Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Vancouver,Canada Posts: 13	which wide angle for GL-1 Hi, Which wide angle adap. should I get for my GL-1? Tx, Aren.