I need help editing video from 5D MkII in Adobe Premiere Pro CS4 at DVinfo.net

Eddie Coates · November 3rd, 2009, 06:07 PM

I am new to shooting video with my Canon 5D Mk II

I use Adobe Premier Pro CS4 to edit video.

When I playback the video from the 5D Mk II, it looks jittery on my PC playing back in Quicktime Movie Player.
Why is this?

I also need to know the correct settings in Adobe CS4 Premiere Pro to edit.

Any and all help is appreciated.

Here is my set up:

Canon 5D MkII - Camera

PC: Intel i-7core running Vista Ultimate 64bit
RAM 12gigs of 1333 DDR3
GPU: ATI 4870
HD: 7200RPM WD 1terabite

Ray Bell · November 3rd, 2009, 09:09 PM

you should consider purchasing the Cineform Neoscene to convert the footage before you
edit it in CS4... much easier...

Andree Markefors · November 3rd, 2009, 09:41 PM

Hi Eddie!

Needless to say your PC is powerful enough, so that's not the problem.

I think first we need to understand the problem exactly. You say you want help with Premiere, but then you say the problem is when you play your files in Quicktime...

Is it the edited and rendered files that play choppy in quicktime? Or even the original raw files?

In your case we can rule out hardware as such, so it's more likely a codec problem, or at least your software setup.

Are you familiar with long GOP and the problems the raw files from your camera can create in editing?

The tip from Ray is generally a good one, but Cineform is a commercial product and is not free. Of course... as a 5D mkII owner, $99 might be a chunk small enough to swallow... up to you...

Anyway... for editing you normally want a file format, or codec, that gives you actual FRAMES of footage. That is, if you shoot at 30 fps you want 30 FRAMES, or "snapshot photographs" for every second of video/film.

The files from your camera shoots Group Of Pictures (GOP). This way you get a real FRAME and then way later comes a new real FRAME. In between lies several frames that don't contain all the information of a real FRAME or "photo". The in-between frames only account for the difference over time between the real FRAMES.

Of course, when you look at the footage on your PC they all look like real FRAMES, but that is the power of your CPU and the magic of the codec at work! The in-between frames are calculated mathematically- and for this we need a fast CPU for HD footage.

Also... if your editing and happen to CUT in-between FRAMES you put strain on your system because it needs to calculate exactly where the CUT took place.

This is the main reason for intermediate codecs such as Cineform. Plus with Cineform you get 10 bit 4-2-2 files instead of 8 bit 4-2-0. A big difference if you do grading and such.

David W. Taylor · November 4th, 2009, 05:45 AM

I use Premiere Pro CS4 on a Vista 64 bit PC and can confirm that QT playback with the original 5D2 files isn't any good. As has been stated you need to get Cineform NeoScene and transcode all the files. They then play superbly in PP CS4 and editing isn't a problem, but you will still need to wait for rendering after applying any effects. Although I live in 'PAL Land' I'm editing in the 29.97 rate that NeoScene produces currently, keeping the pixel size to 'square' ie 1920x1080.Sorry I forget the preset ...I look it up when I'm back at the machine.
I record my audio separately at 48k and do my 'audio post' in a audio workstation at 29.97, finally dropping the mix back into Premiere Pro.
Export is usually for Vimeo at 1280 size at 29.97 but have exported in Cineform AVI converting to 25 PAL and that's looked great.
DT

Christian Ionescu · November 4th, 2009, 02:51 PM

Prior to editing, I convert all my raw video files into Qt photojpeg 100% using MPEGStreamclip - a free application. This way I have no problem in Premiere.

Matti Poutanen · November 5th, 2009, 01:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David W. Taylor

Export is usually for Vimeo at 1280 size at 29.97 but have exported in Cineform AVI converting to 25 PAL and that's looked great.
DT

Could you give a sample? I´m curious how well Neoscene handles the conversion.

Fred LeFevre · November 5th, 2009, 09:25 AM

I agree Neoscene does a nice job of transcoding the video. I have been having a problem with the audio from the 5DMKII but the staff at Neoscene has taken a hard look at the issue and is working a fix. Two big thumbs up for their support - they have worked closely with me to evaluate the issue and have kept in touch as they have worked on a solution.

Fred

Fred LeFevre · November 5th, 2009, 09:37 AM

I was also going to add that if the raw video looks choppy when viewed natively in Premiere Pro once you have rendered it, it usually looks fine.

Amr Toukhy · November 25th, 2009, 10:33 AM

how about you try this one:
Watch out nVidia: AMD releases Adobe CS4 plug-in for Radeons! - Bright Side Of News*

AMD LIVE! Forums - AMD Encoder Plug-in for Adobe Premiere Pro Beta

can you please report back if t works well !!
good luck

Steven Arbiu · November 25th, 2009, 10:45 PM

I downloaded neo scene for a 7 day trial and it only allows mpeg, no quicktime mov. Am I doing something wrong?

Brant Gajda · November 26th, 2009, 04:34 PM

^^

yes the windows version converts them to .avi files. Nothing wrong with that. It works out great.

Christopher Lovenguth · November 26th, 2009, 05:06 PM

The other way is to make lower res proxy clips, edit and then when you go to render apply to your original clips. A bunch of us have talked about this process in detail on this board.

Peter Dorr · January 31st, 2010, 08:28 AM

I shoot my video with the 5D.
I copy the MOV files to my PC's harddisk.
I insert them in Premiere CS4
I render them by hitting the enter key when I am on the timeline.
After rendering I export them as standard 1080i 25fps movies.
I then delete the MOV files from the timeline and insert the newlye exported movie instead.

works perfect

Richard Crook · February 23rd, 2010, 04:59 AM

The best way to edit 5dMkII files on Premiere is to convert using Cineform Neoscene ($99).

Check out this, a must read for newbie 5dMkII users who edit on Premiere:

Complete Idiot’s Guide to the Canon 5d Mk II; Adobe Premiere CS4 Edition - Crooked Path Films Blog

Richard Crook · April 8th, 2010, 01:49 PM

I have updated the guide for the new Magic Lantern (0.1.8) that works with the 2.0.4 firmware. At the time of this posting, there is only a beta release available that I made possible to download from within the guide. The official stable release is not out yet.

Use at your own risk...but I've been using it for a month and the only problem I have is a freeze-up when I switch to/from Live View. Trammel notes that they are still working to get this fixed.

THE COMPLETE IDIOT'S GUIDE TO 5DMKII CINEMATOGRAPHY: ADOBE PREMIERE EDITION
*************UPDATED for 2.0.4 AND Magic Lantern 0.1.8!********************
crookedpathfilms.com/blog/2010/02/04/a-comprehensive-guide-to-the-canon-5d-mk-ii-and-adobe-premiere-cs4/

November 3rd, 2009, 06:07 PM	#1
Eddie Coates Regular Crew Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Scottsdale, AZ Posts: 58	I need help editing video from 5D MkII in Adobe Premiere Pro CS4 I am new to shooting video with my Canon 5D Mk II I use Adobe Premier Pro CS4 to edit video. When I playback the video from the 5D Mk II, it looks jittery on my PC playing back in Quicktime Movie Player. Why is this? I also need to know the correct settings in Adobe CS4 Premiere Pro to edit. Any and all help is appreciated. Here is my set up: Canon 5D MkII - Camera PC: Intel i-7core running Vista Ultimate 64bit RAM 12gigs of 1333 DDR3 GPU: ATI 4870 HD: 7200RPM WD 1terabite

November 4th, 2009, 02:51 PM	#5
Christian Ionescu Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Bucuresti, Romania Posts: 41	Neoscene not necessarily Prior to editing, I convert all my raw video files into Qt photojpeg 100% using MPEGStreamclip - a free application. This way I have no problem in Premiere.

November 5th, 2009, 09:25 AM	#7
Fred LeFevre New Boot Join Date: May 2008 Location: Windsor, Ontario Posts: 15	Using Neoscene I agree Neoscene does a nice job of transcoding the video. I have been having a problem with the audio from the 5DMKII but the staff at Neoscene has taken a hard look at the issue and is working a fix. Two big thumbs up for their support - they have worked closely with me to evaluate the issue and have kept in touch as they have worked on a solution. Fred

November 5th, 2009, 09:37 AM	#8
Fred LeFevre New Boot Join Date: May 2008 Location: Windsor, Ontario Posts: 15	rendered video I was also going to add that if the raw video looks choppy when viewed natively in Premiere Pro once you have rendered it, it usually looks fine.

January 31st, 2010, 08:28 AM	#13
Peter Dorr New Boot Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Netherlands - Europe Posts: 21	The most simple solution perhaps? I shoot my video with the 5D. I copy the MOV files to my PC's harddisk. I insert them in Premiere CS4 I render them by hitting the enter key when I am on the timeline. After rendering I export them as standard 1080i 25fps movies. I then delete the MOV files from the timeline and insert the newlye exported movie instead. works perfect

November 3rd, 2009, 09:09 PM	#2
Ray Bell Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,414	you should consider purchasing the Cineform Neoscene to convert the footage before you edit it in CS4... much easier...

November 3rd, 2009, 09:41 PM	#3
Andree Markefors Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Zürich Switzerland Posts: 81	Hi Eddie! Needless to say your PC is powerful enough, so that's not the problem. I think first we need to understand the problem exactly. You say you want help with Premiere, but then you say the problem is when you play your files in Quicktime... Is it the edited and rendered files that play choppy in quicktime? Or even the original raw files? In your case we can rule out hardware as such, so it's more likely a codec problem, or at least your software setup. Are you familiar with long GOP and the problems the raw files from your camera can create in editing? The tip from Ray is generally a good one, but Cineform is a commercial product and is not free. Of course... as a 5D mkII owner, $99 might be a chunk small enough to swallow... up to you... Anyway... for editing you normally want a file format, or codec, that gives you actual FRAMES of footage. That is, if you shoot at 30 fps you want 30 FRAMES, or "snapshot photographs" for every second of video/film. The files from your camera shoots Group Of Pictures (GOP). This way you get a real FRAME and then way later comes a new real FRAME. In between lies several frames that don't contain all the information of a real FRAME or "photo". The in-between frames only account for the difference over time between the real FRAMES. Of course, when you look at the footage on your PC they all look like real FRAMES, but that is the power of your CPU and the magic of the codec at work! The in-between frames are calculated mathematically- and for this we need a fast CPU for HD footage. Also... if your editing and happen to CUT in-between FRAMES you put strain on your system because it needs to calculate exactly where the CUT took place. This is the main reason for intermediate codecs such as Cineform. Plus with Cineform you get 10 bit 4-2-2 files instead of 8 bit 4-2-0. A big difference if you do grading and such.

November 4th, 2009, 05:45 AM	#4
David W. Taylor Regular Crew Join Date: May 2009 Location: Pinewood Film Studios, Bucks, United Kingdom Posts: 80	I use Premiere Pro CS4 on a Vista 64 bit PC and can confirm that QT playback with the original 5D2 files isn't any good. As has been stated you need to get Cineform NeoScene and transcode all the files. They then play superbly in PP CS4 and editing isn't a problem, but you will still need to wait for rendering after applying any effects. Although I live in 'PAL Land' I'm editing in the 29.97 rate that NeoScene produces currently, keeping the pixel size to 'square' ie 1920x1080.Sorry I forget the preset ...I look it up when I'm back at the machine. I record my audio separately at 48k and do my 'audio post' in a audio workstation at 29.97, finally dropping the mix back into Premiere Pro. Export is usually for Vimeo at 1280 size at 29.97 but have exported in Cineform AVI converting to 25 PAL and that's looked great. DT

November 25th, 2009, 10:33 AM	#9
Amr Toukhy Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Amman-Jordan Posts: 112	how about you try this one: Watch out nVidia: AMD releases Adobe CS4 plug-in for Radeons! - Bright Side Of News* AMD LIVE! Forums - AMD Encoder Plug-in for Adobe Premiere Pro Beta can you please report back if t works well !! good luck

November 25th, 2009, 10:45 PM	#10
Steven Arbiu Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Tarzana California Posts: 75	I downloaded neo scene for a 7 day trial and it only allows mpeg, no quicktime mov. Am I doing something wrong?

November 26th, 2009, 04:34 PM	#11
Brant Gajda Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 113	^^ yes the windows version converts them to .avi files. Nothing wrong with that. It works out great.

November 26th, 2009, 05:06 PM	#12
Christopher Lovenguth Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 85	The other way is to make lower res proxy clips, edit and then when you go to render apply to your original clips. A bunch of us have talked about this process in detail on this board.

February 23rd, 2010, 04:59 AM	#14
Richard Crook Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Rowlett, TX Posts: 74	The best way to edit 5dMkII files on Premiere is to convert using Cineform Neoscene ($99). Check out this, a must read for newbie 5dMkII users who edit on Premiere: Complete Idiot’s Guide to the Canon 5d Mk II; Adobe Premiere CS4 Edition - Crooked Path Films Blog

April 8th, 2010, 01:49 PM	#15
Richard Crook Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Rowlett, TX Posts: 74	I have updated the guide for the new Magic Lantern (0.1.8) that works with the 2.0.4 firmware. At the time of this posting, there is only a beta release available that I made possible to download from within the guide. The official stable release is not out yet. Use at your own risk...but I've been using it for a month and the only problem I have is a freeze-up when I switch to/from Live View. Trammel notes that they are still working to get this fixed. THE COMPLETE IDIOT'S GUIDE TO 5DMKII CINEMATOGRAPHY: ADOBE PREMIERE EDITION ***********UPDATED for 2.0.4 AND Magic Lantern 0.1.8!****************** crookedpathfilms.com/blog/2010/02/04/a-comprehensive-guide-to-the-canon-5d-mk-ii-and-adobe-premiere-cs4/