My latest thoughts on 5DmkII rolling shutter in my latest vid at DVinfo.net

Dan Chung · September 28th, 2009, 09:33 PM

New 5DmkII news feature video – lots of rolling shutter, does it matter? DSLR News Shooter

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Dean Gill · September 29th, 2009, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Dan Chung

New 5DmkII news feature video – lots of rolling shutter, does it matter? DSLR News Shooter

Dan

Hi Dan,

I don't find the rolling shutter effect so disturbing in your video.
In my case, being a storm chaser, it's an other thing, especially with lightning. Here is an example :
YouTube - Supercell and lightning - Lamar Co, 11 June 2009
Having an ex-1 which also suffers from rolling shutter, the problem appears less severe.

Dan Brockett · September 29th, 2009, 08:32 AM

Hi Dan:

Nice coverage in your story. What a great chance to shoot those reenactments, those are always interesting and fun to shoot. I barely noticed the rolling shutter, just saw it in a few shots and I don't hink the average viewer would even notice.

I have always thought that rolling shutter is a much bigger deal to us than to most audiences. I agree, if you are shooting a feature, it would be highly amplified on a larger screen or on projection but as web video and even DVDs on average sized TVs, I don't find it to be much of an issue for most situations unless you are shooting sports doing fast pans on long lenses.

Dan

Peer Landa · September 29th, 2009, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Dan Chung

My latest thoughts on 5DmkII rolling shutter -- lots of rolling shutter, does it matter?

Perhaps I'm more picky when it comes to audio -- but no, I can not see too much and/or obvious/annoying jelly-shutter in your footage. However, what I can see is a great piece of work. Good going there, Dan.

-- peer (who loves wide lenses too ;^)

Dean Gill · September 29th, 2009, 02:57 PM

Yeah, I forgot to tell you because it's so obvious... you did an excellent job!! Congratulations!

Daniel Bates · September 29th, 2009, 03:06 PM

I barely noticed any rolling shutter. I'm sure it's there; I just can't pay attention to it because of the compelling subject matter and technical execution. Bravo!

One thing I did notice is how often the reenactors flagged each other, especially in the opening few shots... *wince*

Mike Hannon · September 29th, 2009, 03:42 PM

Hi Dan,

i really enjoyed watching the piece. However for me the rolling shutter was very obvious and distracted my attention.

When I first got my camera and took some normal handheld shots at 50mm I was disgusted by the rolling shutter - so maybe it's just me.

I agree that 90% of viewers will not notice it, and of those that do I'm sure that few would care.

Noah Yuan-Vogel · September 30th, 2009, 01:05 AM

Normally im quite sensitive to rolling shutter artifacts, but I really didnt mind it in this piece except for one really shaky telephoto shot with an explosion (at 1:10). the wide angle running stuff really isnt that bad. maybe its because i was expecting it to be really noticeable based on the thread title. i see some artifacting and im sure if anything footage got slowed down or stabilized youd really start seeing the image stretch and skew but its not bad considering how much movement there is.

Tony Davies-Patrick · September 30th, 2009, 03:56 AM

Dean, in your storm footage I would be more concerned about obtaining decent sound and using a tripod or IS, than worrying about rolling shutter... :)

Peer Landa · September 30th, 2009, 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Tony Davies-Patrick

Dean, in your storm footage I would be more concerned about obtaining decent sound and using a tripod or IS, than worrying about rolling shutter... :)

I agree, and I also think Dean's name tag (watermark) is a bit distracting -- it makes the shake look worse.

-- peer

Dean Gill · September 30th, 2009, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Tony Davies-Patrick

Dean, in your storm footage I would be more concerned about obtaining decent sound and using a tripod or IS, than worrying about rolling shutter... :)

Yes Tony, I'm aware of that. Actually, I shot the same scene with an EX-1 on a tripod. But at that time I didn't have a wide angle adapter on it. With the 24-70mm lens of the 5D I was able to get most of the storm structure. That's why I choosed the 5D footage for this scene, even if it's shaky and exhibits rollling shutter artifacts with lightning. But the "partition" or "decomposition" artifacts of the lightning bolt are not exactly what I'm looking for.

Bruce Foreman · September 30th, 2009, 01:15 PM

Dan,

As one who had to be familiar with the Chinese military capability while in military service, I found your short feature fascinating. I like the way you intercut spectators and the 90 year old PLA veteran with the re-enactors footage.

I could not see any objectionable rolling shutter effect, I think I see the lack of smooth motion in the running scenes due to high shutter speed. But we accept this as part of the way you had to keep up with things.

I liked it!

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September 29th, 2009, 08:32 AM	#3
Dan Brockett Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Los Angeles, California Posts: 2,109	Hi Dan: Nice coverage in your story. What a great chance to shoot those reenactments, those are always interesting and fun to shoot. I barely noticed the rolling shutter, just saw it in a few shots and I don't hink the average viewer would even notice. I have always thought that rolling shutter is a much bigger deal to us than to most audiences. I agree, if you are shooting a feature, it would be highly amplified on a larger screen or on projection but as web video and even DVDs on average sized TVs, I don't find it to be much of an issue for most situations unless you are shooting sports doing fast pans on long lenses. Dan

September 29th, 2009, 02:57 PM	#5
Dean Gill Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Geneva - Switzerland Posts: 30	Yeah, I forgot to tell you because it's so obvious... you did an excellent job!! Congratulations!

September 29th, 2009, 03:06 PM	#6
Daniel Bates Regular Crew Join Date: May 2006 Location: Daegu, Korea Posts: 180	I barely noticed any rolling shutter. I'm sure it's there; I just can't pay attention to it because of the compelling subject matter and technical execution. Bravo! One thing I did notice is how often the reenactors flagged each other, especially in the opening few shots... wince

September 29th, 2009, 03:42 PM	#7
Mike Hannon Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: ireland Posts: 55	Hi Dan, i really enjoyed watching the piece. However for me the rolling shutter was very obvious and distracted my attention. When I first got my camera and took some normal handheld shots at 50mm I was disgusted by the rolling shutter - so maybe it's just me. I agree that 90% of viewers will not notice it, and of those that do I'm sure that few would care.

September 30th, 2009, 01:05 AM	#8
Noah Yuan-Vogel Major Player Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: New York City Posts: 613	Normally im quite sensitive to rolling shutter artifacts, but I really didnt mind it in this piece except for one really shaky telephoto shot with an explosion (at 1:10). the wide angle running stuff really isnt that bad. maybe its because i was expecting it to be really noticeable based on the thread title. i see some artifacting and im sure if anything footage got slowed down or stabilized youd really start seeing the image stretch and skew but its not bad considering how much movement there is.

September 30th, 2009, 01:15 PM	#12
Bruce Foreman Trustee Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: San Angelo Texas Posts: 1,518	Dan, As one who had to be familiar with the Chinese military capability while in military service, I found your short feature fascinating. I like the way you intercut spectators and the 90 year old PLA veteran with the re-enactors footage. I could not see any objectionable rolling shutter effect, I think I see the lack of smooth motion in the running scenes due to high shutter speed. But we accept this as part of the way you had to keep up with things. I liked it!