Magic Lantern 0.1.6 release

Steve Cahill · October 18th, 2009, 04:03 PM

I would like to see solid release, auto boot up and full HDMI output on record. Looks like timing of that based on previous releases should be due soon. Who will release first Canon or Magic Lantern?

Chris Barcellos · October 18th, 2009, 11:05 PM

Complications are involved in getting to the new release. As the software gets more complicated, the more the chances of problems and bugs arise. Tramm's goals are extensive for the next release, and I see this akin to moving from juggling 3 balls, to getting the software to juggle 10. It may take 30 times the work to get it there.

Add to that the release of the 7D, where a lot of research is now also being expended, and you can understand why the coming of a new Magic Lantern update for the 5D is slower.

Jon Fairhurst · October 18th, 2009, 11:54 PM

I think the urgency is lower too. We have fixed audio gain, audio monitoring, zebras, rack focus and a bunch of other stuff. The one other killer feature would be HD monitoring via the HDMI port, but there were some problems during proof of concept testing. If that had worked, we'd probably have had a release to add that feature alone.

Peter Chang · October 30th, 2009, 04:06 PM

Anyone using the Rode NTG-2 with ML? I'm running the NTG-2 through the JuicedLink CX231, and was wondering what the optimal settings would be.

audio.mgain = ?
audio.dgain.l = ?
audio.dgain.r = ?

Jon Fairhurst · October 30th, 2009, 04:14 PM

My policy is to set the digital gain to 0dB to maintain all the bits. I run the JL at 100% on the high setting. It set the m.gain (analog gain) to +10 or +17dB. That's a good starting point.

If the sound is always too low, turn up the analog gain. If the sound is occasionally too hot, turn down the JL for those moments. If the sound is always too hot, turn down the analog gain.

Bud Dowdey · November 25th, 2009, 11:56 AM

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Jon Fairhurst · November 25th, 2009, 04:04 PM

It runs on the camera, so the computer doesn't matter. As long as you can download the files and put them on your CF card, you're good to go.

Rickey Brillantes · November 30th, 2009, 04:07 PM

Thanks Tramm for your hard work....I have much fun using the ML on a wedding gig last Saturday... just one question in regards to using an external mic, audio was being recorded even though mic (Rode) was turned off, so was it recording using the built in mic.

Once again thank you very much and I do hope that Canon will integrate ML in the coming firmware upgrade.... Please Canon!!!

Bill Binder · December 1st, 2009, 02:22 PM

If you want to use an external mic with ML, you must enable the external mic through the ML setup screens. The key takeaway is that unlike the stock firmware, where the external starts getting used the second you plug it in, ML will use whatever source is switched on regardless of whether a mic is physically plugged in or not. I learned that the hard way, but hey, at least I remember now!

Anton Chernenko · December 4th, 2009, 01:39 PM

Hello guys,
I have tried out the firmware and was very impressed by rack focus. It worked very smooth and nice.
But, noise and hiss are still there. I am using Rode VideoMic and settings from ML firmware manual. However, it seems that overall volume becomes lower and thats why I do not hear the hiss anymore. But when I increase the volume to be able to hear whats there (in quick time or in final cut using audio levels), the hiss comes back and as prominent as without the firmware.
Is there something I am doing wrong?
the setting I have
output vol 6
anlg gain = 10
audio.dgain.l = 18
audio.dgain.r = 18
agc OFF

Jon Fairhurst · December 4th, 2009, 03:15 PM

You want a hotter mic or a preamp, like a juicedLink.

I usually choose
output vol 0 (I have a Boostaroo headphone amp)
anlg gain = 10 (sometimes 17)
audio.dgain.l = 0
audio.dgain.r = 0 (choosing non-zero reduces headroom/dynamic range)

You can see and hear the juicedLink here:
Part 1: Boom Mic - vimeo.com/5370880
Part 2: Camera Mounted Mic - vimeo.com/5388476
Part 3: Wireless Lavalier - vimeo.com/5443143
Part 4: Foley - vimeo.com/5453690
Part 5: Noise - vimeo.com/5474562
Part 6: Conclusions - vimeo.com/5903379

Martin Catt · December 6th, 2009, 11:56 PM

I suppose this is a dumb question, but is there a manual for the latest version of Magic Lantern? I've crawled all through the wiki, but can't find anything that looks like a manual. There seem to be a lot of neat features, but it would help to know how to use them. Please don't tell me I have to sit through all those slow-loading videos to learn how to use it.

Martin

Chris Barcellos · December 7th, 2009, 12:34 AM

Martin: This is a manual I started at the Wiki, and that has had Wiki style upgrades from others, particularly the main developer Trammel Hudson:

Magic Lantern 0.1.6 User Manual - Magic Lantern Firmware Wiki

Martin Catt · December 7th, 2009, 05:20 PM

Thanks Chris. That answers a lot of questions. Just got a 5DM2 this weekend, and have been feeling my way through the Canon instructions before tackling Magic Lantern.

Martin

Tramm Hudson · December 16th, 2009, 09:55 PM

The new Canon 1.2.4 firmware is not compatible with Magic Lantern 0.1.6. I've updated the FAQ and added a note on the download page. Only Canon firmware 1.1.0 is supported by Magic Lantern 0.1.6.

October 18th, 2009, 04:03 PM	#61
Steve Cahill Major Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 321	I would like to see solid release, auto boot up and full HDMI output on record. Looks like timing of that based on previous releases should be due soon. Who will release first Canon or Magic Lantern? __________________ Regards Steve

October 18th, 2009, 11:05 PM	#62
Chris Barcellos Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Elk Grove CA Posts: 6,838	Complications are involved in getting to the new release. As the software gets more complicated, the more the chances of problems and bugs arise. Tramm's goals are extensive for the next release, and I see this akin to moving from juggling 3 balls, to getting the software to juggle 10. It may take 30 times the work to get it there. Add to that the release of the 7D, where a lot of research is now also being expended, and you can understand why the coming of a new Magic Lantern update for the 5D is slower. __________________ Chris J. Barcellos

October 18th, 2009, 11:54 PM	#63
Jon Fairhurst Inner Circle Join Date: May 2006 Location: Camas, WA, USA Posts: 5,513	I think the urgency is lower too. We have fixed audio gain, audio monitoring, zebras, rack focus and a bunch of other stuff. The one other killer feature would be HD monitoring via the HDMI port, but there were some problems during proof of concept testing. If that had worked, we'd probably have had a release to add that feature alone. __________________ Jon Fairhurst

October 30th, 2009, 04:06 PM	#64
Peter Chang Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 46	Rode NTG-2 + JuicedLink CX231 gain settings? Anyone using the Rode NTG-2 with ML? I'm running the NTG-2 through the JuicedLink CX231, and was wondering what the optimal settings would be. audio.mgain = ? audio.dgain.l = ? audio.dgain.r = ?

October 30th, 2009, 04:14 PM	#65
Jon Fairhurst Inner Circle Join Date: May 2006 Location: Camas, WA, USA Posts: 5,513	My policy is to set the digital gain to 0dB to maintain all the bits. I run the JL at 100% on the high setting. It set the m.gain (analog gain) to +10 or +17dB. That's a good starting point. If the sound is always too low, turn up the analog gain. If the sound is occasionally too hot, turn down the JL for those moments. If the sound is always too hot, turn down the analog gain. __________________ Jon Fairhurst

November 25th, 2009, 04:04 PM	#67
Jon Fairhurst Inner Circle Join Date: May 2006 Location: Camas, WA, USA Posts: 5,513	It runs on the camera, so the computer doesn't matter. As long as you can download the files and put them on your CF card, you're good to go. __________________ Jon Fairhurst

November 30th, 2009, 04:07 PM	#68
Rickey Brillantes Major Player Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Ontario, California Posts: 309	Thanks Tramm for your hard work....I have much fun using the ML on a wedding gig last Saturday... just one question in regards to using an external mic, audio was being recorded even though mic (Rode) was turned off, so was it recording using the built in mic. Once again thank you very much and I do hope that Canon will integrate ML in the coming firmware upgrade.... Please Canon!!!

December 1st, 2009, 02:22 PM	#69
Bill Binder Major Player Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: San Francisco Posts: 542	If you want to use an external mic with ML, you must enable the external mic through the ML setup screens. The key takeaway is that unlike the stock firmware, where the external starts getting used the second you plug it in, ML will use whatever source is switched on regardless of whether a mic is physically plugged in or not. I learned that the hard way, but hey, at least I remember now!

December 4th, 2009, 01:39 PM	#70
Anton Chernenko New Boot Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 20	Hello guys, I have tried out the firmware and was very impressed by rack focus. It worked very smooth and nice. But, noise and hiss are still there. I am using Rode VideoMic and settings from ML firmware manual. However, it seems that overall volume becomes lower and thats why I do not hear the hiss anymore. But when I increase the volume to be able to hear whats there (in quick time or in final cut using audio levels), the hiss comes back and as prominent as without the firmware. Is there something I am doing wrong? the setting I have output vol 6 anlg gain = 10 audio.dgain.l = 18 audio.dgain.r = 18 agc OFF

December 4th, 2009, 03:15 PM	#71
Jon Fairhurst Inner Circle Join Date: May 2006 Location: Camas, WA, USA Posts: 5,513	You want a hotter mic or a preamp, like a juicedLink. I usually choose output vol 0 (I have a Boostaroo headphone amp) anlg gain = 10 (sometimes 17) audio.dgain.l = 0 audio.dgain.r = 0 (choosing non-zero reduces headroom/dynamic range) You can see and hear the juicedLink here: Part 1: Boom Mic - vimeo.com/5370880 Part 2: Camera Mounted Mic - vimeo.com/5388476 Part 3: Wireless Lavalier - vimeo.com/5443143 Part 4: Foley - vimeo.com/5453690 Part 5: Noise - vimeo.com/5474562 Part 6: Conclusions - vimeo.com/5903379 1. Canon 5D Mark II Audio Exposed - Boom Mic (juicedLink, Zoom H4n, Microtrack II, BeachTek) on Vimeo __________________ Jon Fairhurst

December 6th, 2009, 11:56 PM	#72
Martin Catt Major Player Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: The Colony TX Posts: 327	Magic Lantern manual I suppose this is a dumb question, but is there a manual for the latest version of Magic Lantern? I've crawled all through the wiki, but can't find anything that looks like a manual. There seem to be a lot of neat features, but it would help to know how to use them. Please don't tell me I have to sit through all those slow-loading videos to learn how to use it. Martin __________________ Canon XF300, Canon 5DMkII, Canon XL2, Rolls MX422 mixer, Zoom H4N, AT899 lavs, AT2020's, Azden SGM 1X shotgun, Manfrotto 501 head on 351 tripod

December 7th, 2009, 12:34 AM	#73
Chris Barcellos Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Elk Grove CA Posts: 6,838	Martin: This is a manual I started at the Wiki, and that has had Wiki style upgrades from others, particularly the main developer Trammel Hudson: Magic Lantern 0.1.6 User Manual - Magic Lantern Firmware Wiki __________________ Chris J. Barcellos

December 7th, 2009, 05:20 PM	#74
Martin Catt Major Player Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: The Colony TX Posts: 327	Thanks Chris. That answers a lot of questions. Just got a 5DM2 this weekend, and have been feeling my way through the Canon instructions before tackling Magic Lantern. Martin __________________ Canon XF300, Canon 5DMkII, Canon XL2, Rolls MX422 mixer, Zoom H4N, AT899 lavs, AT2020's, Azden SGM 1X shotgun, Manfrotto 501 head on 351 tripod

December 16th, 2009, 09:55 PM	#75
Tramm Hudson Wizard Status Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: New York, NY Posts: 239	Firmware 1.2.4 incompatibility The new Canon 1.2.4 firmware is not compatible with Magic Lantern 0.1.6. I've updated the FAQ and added a note on the download page. Only Canon firmware 1.1.0 is supported by Magic Lantern 0.1.6.