Realtime editing of native 5D2-MOVs with DIVIDE.FRAME GPUdecoder? at DVinfo.net

Andreas Neubert · July 28th, 2009, 02:28 PM

Hast anyone tried GPUdecoder from DIVIDE.FRAME yet?
DIVIDE FRAME: Software solutions for the broadcast industry

It´s said to make realtime editing possible in VEGAS+PREMIERE (PC) by letting the GPU do the decoding.
Sounds great, but some sources also report it only works when no effects/filters are applied.
In the latter case, Premiere would switch to internal decoding.

I´m using Vegas and don´t have a supported Nvidia card yet - so I would appreciate any input about GPUdecoder.
It works only on Nvidia GPUs starting with the 8600 - only two 8800er models are not supported (no VideoDecoding onboard).

Best Regards,
Andreas

Andreas Neubert · July 29th, 2009, 04:14 PM

Have tested the free trial version of GPUdecoder today - and must say i´m quite impressed.
I can only speak vor Vegas Pro 9.0a - where the decoding always takes place on the GPU, even when I apply plugins like color correction etc. - the way it should be.

Editing is possible at full resolution and full 30fps with no plugin applied.

When you apply plugins, it depends on the CPU-power of the machine.
I can do fluid grading of the 5D2 files @ half resolution (960x540), on faster machines it might be possible in FullHD.

This is becoming a really interesting solution, as my Vegas itself is not capaple of previewing more than 5-7 frames per second - so I had to use proxys all the time.

With GPU decoder it´s possible to edit directly on the 5D2-MOVs, and grade with fluid preview at least at half resolution, which should be fair enough!
Only when thing like USM come in, it the framerate drops to something around 20fps - but that might be better with faster CPUs like the i7.

At 1/4-resolution, even USM and chroma blur etc. work - but that resolution won´t give us an impression of what´s happening.

GPU decoder also improves rendering speed, as decoding is done inside the GPU and CPU power is saved for plugin processing.

Jon Fairhurst · July 29th, 2009, 06:48 PM

Andreas,

What GPU, CPU, OS and RAM size are you using?

Andreas Neubert · July 29th, 2009, 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jon Fairhurst

Andreas,

What GPU, CPU, OS and RAM size are you using?

Nothing special:
Q6600 @ 2,4 or 3 Ghz (works fine @ 2,4 - renders bit faster @ 3)
WinXP 32bit SP3
4GB Ram
Nvidia 275 GTX

However some cheaper (really cheap indeed!) Nvidia cards are clocked higher:
The best deal is with GeForce 9800 GTX+ or GeForce GTS 250 (738Mhz)

Only GPU clock and PCIe speed matter for GPU decoding...

Jon Fairhurst · July 29th, 2009, 09:49 PM

Aack! Those GPUs have fans! (as I cross myself and lunge for the garlic...)

As a builder of (near)silent PCs, I've always been able to avoid GPU and motherboard fans. Maybe my next build will need water cooling...

Andreas Neubert · July 30th, 2009, 05:16 AM

You can take any card starting with the nvidia 8600er through 9xxx series to 2xx series and Quadro+ION.
Only two 8800er (GTS and ???) don´t support CUDA/PureVideo.

You can use passive cooled models - but their performance doesn´t guarantee realtime decoding for crossfades.

However: The very silent fan in my card doesn´t speed up like it does in games when the card is decoding... it stays more one the desktop side ...

Charles W. Hull · July 30th, 2009, 10:42 PM

I tried the demo with Premiere Pro CS4 and it reports errors and won't load. Checking the Divide.Frame forum there seem to still be bugs for Premiere. There may be a problem with the latest NVIDIA driver. I'll check the forum now and then and if it looks like the program stabilizes I'll try it again. Seems like a good idea, I was wondering when someone would have a GPU product that would support the 5DII.

July 28th, 2009, 02:28 PM	#1
Andreas Neubert New Boot Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Munich, Germany Posts: 23	Realtime editing of native 5D2-MOVs with DIVIDE.FRAME GPUdecoder? Hast anyone tried GPUdecoder from DIVIDE.FRAME yet? DIVIDE FRAME: Software solutions for the broadcast industry It´s said to make realtime editing possible in VEGAS+PREMIERE (PC) by letting the GPU do the decoding. Sounds great, but some sources also report it only works when no effects/filters are applied. In the latter case, Premiere would switch to internal decoding. I´m using Vegas and don´t have a supported Nvidia card yet - so I would appreciate any input about GPUdecoder. It works only on Nvidia GPUs starting with the 8600 - only two 8800er models are not supported (no VideoDecoding onboard). Best Regards, Andreas

July 29th, 2009, 04:14 PM	#2
Andreas Neubert New Boot Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Munich, Germany Posts: 23	GPUdecoder quite impressive! Have tested the free trial version of GPUdecoder today - and must say i´m quite impressed. I can only speak vor Vegas Pro 9.0a - where the decoding always takes place on the GPU, even when I apply plugins like color correction etc. - the way it should be. Editing is possible at full resolution and full 30fps with no plugin applied. When you apply plugins, it depends on the CPU-power of the machine. I can do fluid grading of the 5D2 files @ half resolution (960x540), on faster machines it might be possible in FullHD. This is becoming a really interesting solution, as my Vegas itself is not capaple of previewing more than 5-7 frames per second - so I had to use proxys all the time. With GPU decoder it´s possible to edit directly on the 5D2-MOVs, and grade with fluid preview at least at half resolution, which should be fair enough! Only when thing like USM come in, it the framerate drops to something around 20fps - but that might be better with faster CPUs like the i7. At 1/4-resolution, even USM and chroma blur etc. work - but that resolution won´t give us an impression of what´s happening. GPU decoder also improves rendering speed, as decoding is done inside the GPU and CPU power is saved for plugin processing.

July 29th, 2009, 06:48 PM	#3
Jon Fairhurst Inner Circle Join Date: May 2006 Location: Camas, WA, USA Posts: 5,513	Andreas, What GPU, CPU, OS and RAM size are you using? __________________ Jon Fairhurst

July 29th, 2009, 09:49 PM	#5
Jon Fairhurst Inner Circle Join Date: May 2006 Location: Camas, WA, USA Posts: 5,513	Aack! Those GPUs have fans! (as I cross myself and lunge for the garlic...) As a builder of (near)silent PCs, I've always been able to avoid GPU and motherboard fans. Maybe my next build will need water cooling... __________________ Jon Fairhurst

July 30th, 2009, 10:42 PM	#7
Charles W. Hull Major Player Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Canyon Country, CA Posts: 445	cs4 I tried the demo with Premiere Pro CS4 and it reports errors and won't load. Checking the Divide.Frame forum there seem to still be bugs for Premiere. There may be a problem with the latest NVIDIA driver. I'll check the forum now and then and if it looks like the program stabilizes I'll try it again. Seems like a good idea, I was wondering when someone would have a GPU product that would support the 5DII.

July 30th, 2009, 05:16 AM	#6
Andreas Neubert New Boot Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Munich, Germany Posts: 23	You can take any card starting with the nvidia 8600er through 9xxx series to 2xx series and Quadro+ION. Only two 8800er (GTS and ???) don´t support CUDA/PureVideo. You can use passive cooled models - but their performance doesn´t guarantee realtime decoding for crossfades. However: The very silent fan in my card doesn´t speed up like it does in games when the card is decoding... it stays more one the desktop side ...