On my desk right now...

Wayne Avanson · June 3rd, 2009, 02:53 PM

Nigel
it is the i-Cuff DV code number MTICDV. It's the smallest one I think, and only just fits over the eyepiece of the loup and is as big as the loup itslf. Nice and snug. the velcro tape isn't long enough that wraps around the join but I had some velcro cable ties so I used one of those to lengthen it.

It is more comfortable and like I say, it moves a bit so you can get a good view of the sweet spot.

Avey

Nigel Barker · June 3rd, 2009, 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wayne Avanson

Nigel
it is the i-Cuff DV code number MTICDV. It's the smallest one I think, and only just fits over the eyepiece of the loup and is as big as the loup itslf. Nice and snug. the velcro tape isn't long enough that wraps around the join but I had some velcro cable ties so I used one of those to lengthen it.

Thanks, I had been debating between the i-Cuff DV & the larger i-Cuff HD as the former is designed for up to 5.5in circumference whereas the latter is up to 9.5in & the Hoodloupe is just under 6". I am glad to hear that the smaller does fitt as I was concerned that the larger would be too loose. Do you think that the larger version would be too large?

Wayne Avanson · June 4th, 2009, 03:19 AM

I think it might be too large. The thing itself is as large as the hoodloup which surprised me, but after a bit of jiggling, i got the stitched bits over the eyepiece and it now fits snug.

Here's a blurry shot from the iPhone, I just pulled away the velcro tape to show you. Hope this helps.
As I mentioned the velcro tape supplied isn't long enough and you have to add a piece of your own. If you got the larger iCuff, then there might be too much material at the area you can see here where the material is wrinkled. This might mean it would be harder to move the cuff around (by pressing your head against it), to get the best viewing position. It's quite stiff material.

Avey

Wayne Avanson · June 4th, 2009, 04:57 AM

Hey Dan,How you getting on with the new Loup?

Is it MUCH better than the Hoodman?

Avey

Chris Barcellos · June 4th, 2009, 10:15 AM

My question is regarding the new Beachtek ? Is it working as advertized ?

Ryan Mueller · June 4th, 2009, 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Barcellos

My question is regarding the new Beachtek ? Is it working as advertized ?

I'm curious about this also.

James Miller · June 10th, 2009, 11:29 PM

Taken From email:

Important note regarding the DXA-5D XLR Adapter for the Canon 5D Mark II

A few people have voiced a concern over the low volume levels when recording into the Canon 5D Mark II. The DXA-5D adapter is a passive device and outputs a unity gain signal - therefore, the output signal will only be as good as the microphones you are using. Remember that the Canon 5D Mark II is far from perfect as an audio recorder. The preamplifiers in this camera have a rather poor signal to noise ratio which create excessive hiss - especially if the input signal is low.

It is important that you use a sensitive condenser type microphone and place the mic as close to the sound source as possible. Also, both trim pots on the adapter should be kept fully open for no attenuation. For the very best results, you can use a mixer in front of the adapter to boost the signal to whatever level you need. Most wireless mics also work very well through the DXA-5D as they have a relatively hot output signal. In addition, there is second output jack on the adapter to record to a digital recorder such as the popular Zoom H4 or Sony PCM-D50 when you need the highest quality audio. You can then use the nifty new software program from Singular Software to easily sync up the audio from the digital recorder without having to use time code.

The DXA-5D is designed as an interface device for this camera. It allows you to connect professional audio sources and gives you switching, level control, phantom power and monitoring features. Please remember the audio limitations of the Canon 5D Mark II - no device will turn this camera into a high end digital audio recorder.

Cheers,
Harry Kaufmann
Product Support
416-690-9457
BeachTek
The Audio Adapter Specialists
Welcome to the new BeachTek website!

Chris Barcellos · June 10th, 2009, 11:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by James Miller

Important note regarding the DXA-5D XLR Adapter for the Canon 5D Mark II

A few people have voiced a concern over the low volume levels when recording into the Canon 5D Mark II. The DXA-5D adapter is a passive device and outputs a unity gain signal - therefore, the output signal will only be as good as the microphones you are using.
Cheers,
Harry Kaufmann
Product Support
416-690-9457
BeachTek
The Audio Adapter Specialists
Welcome to the new BeachTek website!

Okay, I see the Sign Video Eng 44 at about $500, and I see the Juiced Link CX231 at about $299.00 with preamps. It seems to me that at the price point you are at, preamps should have been included.

James Miller · June 11th, 2009, 01:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Barcellos

It seems to me that at the price point you are at, preamps should have been included.

What about the DXA-6HD, this has low noise PreAmps and a 'MAN' switch to deactivate the AGC. It's designed for the Sony FX1, could it be used on the 5DMK2?

http://www.beachtek.com/pdf/DXA-6HDInstructions.pdf
BeachTek product selection...

James Miller · June 11th, 2009, 01:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by James Miller

could it be used on the 5DMK2?

Just realized no monitor output.

Jon Fairhurst · June 11th, 2009, 01:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by James Miller

Just realized no monitor output.

Yeah, the 5D2 audio is really lacking. It's a cool idea to use a pilot tone to push down the gain, but in practice, I can't get much below -42dB, which is really weak. Also, the pilot tone steals one channel.

In the future, if we can reduce the noise, by reducing the in-camera gain, we will need a clean preamp upstream to boost the gain to make up for that loss. And that preamp needs XLR inputs, level controls, phantom power - and battery operation, of course.

And then there are no visual indicators of levels. And no headphone monitor from the camera.

But it's the noise that really kills it for me. -40dB just doesn't do it. I want -60dB at the bare minimum.

Hopefully Tramm will get manual gain, visual meters and audio out working. If reducing the gain in firmware happens to turn down the noise, then we're in business. Until then, we really need to record the audio into something other than the 5D2.

Fortunately, the built in mic and AGC are good enough for capturing sync tracks and voice notation. The mic input, however, is pretty useless right now.

Don Miller · June 11th, 2009, 08:23 AM

With all the limitations of 5DII audio, and the availability of pluraleyes, I wonder about the advantage to to DXA-5D over a separate audio recorder. The cost of the Beachtek device is at the entry level of a separate recorder. I think people who really care about audio are going to buy the DXA and then buy the separate recorder anyways. To me, doing the reverse makes more sense. Get a separate recorder with the right meter display and controls, and then see if there is any need for the beechtek.

I do a lot of stereo ambient type audio, and the 5DII doesn't cut it. So perhaps I'm biased against the DXA and the limitations of 5DII S/N.

Dan Brockett · June 11th, 2009, 12:08 PM

I am not one to say "I told you so" but I have been posting on all of the boards since I did my first 5D MKII shoot with audio a month ago. The Canon 5D MKII will never be capable of recording high quality. It is fundamentally a still camera, not even a video camera and video cameras almost uniformly have poor quality audio as well. Even the RED One has terrible audio. I actually would have been VERY surprised if the 5D MKII or any other VDSLR had and level of audio quality. From all reports so far, the Panasonc DMC-GH1 also has quite poor audio quality, big surprise.

Thanks goodness they did give the 5D MKII an internal mic, the bad audio is very useful for syncing double system sound. It is a little bit of extra work but it ends up sounding pretty good when you use an external recorder. The trick is choosing the correct feature set for your needs. I have been pretty happy with the Zoom H4N so far although I have not recorded in any quiet interiors with it yet but I did record some acoustic music performances and it sounded quite nice.

I am afraid that if you care about your audio quality, double system sound is a prerequisite.

Dan

Jeremy Nicholl · June 11th, 2009, 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Brockett

The trick is choosing the correct feature set for your needs. I have been pretty happy with the Zoom H4N so far although I have not recorded in any quiet interiors with it yet but I did record some acoustic music performances and it sounded quite nice. .

Dan

Are you using the H4N "as is" or with any kind of pre-amp setup? And are you using only the Zoom's mics or externals via XLR, and if so which ones?

Thanks in advance.

June 4th, 2009, 03:19 AM	#18
Wayne Avanson Major Player Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Lancashire UK Posts: 496	I think it might be too large. The thing itself is as large as the hoodloup which surprised me, but after a bit of jiggling, i got the stitched bits over the eyepiece and it now fits snug. Here's a blurry shot from the iPhone, I just pulled away the velcro tape to show you. Hope this helps. As I mentioned the velcro tape supplied isn't long enough and you have to add a piece of your own. If you got the larger iCuff, then there might be too much material at the area you can see here where the material is wrinkled. This might mean it would be harder to move the cuff around (by pressing your head against it), to get the best viewing position. It's quite stiff material. Avey Attached Thumbnails

June 4th, 2009, 10:15 AM	#20
Chris Barcellos Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Elk Grove CA Posts: 6,838	My question is regarding the new Beachtek ? Is it working as advertized ? __________________ Chris J. Barcellos

June 10th, 2009, 11:29 PM	#22
James Miller Major Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Sussex, UK Posts: 317	Important note regarding the DXA-5D XLR Adapter for the Canon 5D Mark II Taken From email: Important note regarding the DXA-5D XLR Adapter for the Canon 5D Mark II A few people have voiced a concern over the low volume levels when recording into the Canon 5D Mark II. The DXA-5D adapter is a passive device and outputs a unity gain signal - therefore, the output signal will only be as good as the microphones you are using. Remember that the Canon 5D Mark II is far from perfect as an audio recorder. The preamplifiers in this camera have a rather poor signal to noise ratio which create excessive hiss - especially if the input signal is low. It is important that you use a sensitive condenser type microphone and place the mic as close to the sound source as possible. Also, both trim pots on the adapter should be kept fully open for no attenuation. For the very best results, you can use a mixer in front of the adapter to boost the signal to whatever level you need. Most wireless mics also work very well through the DXA-5D as they have a relatively hot output signal. In addition, there is second output jack on the adapter to record to a digital recorder such as the popular Zoom H4 or Sony PCM-D50 when you need the highest quality audio. You can then use the nifty new software program from Singular Software to easily sync up the audio from the digital recorder without having to use time code. The DXA-5D is designed as an interface device for this camera. It allows you to connect professional audio sources and gives you switching, level control, phantom power and monitoring features. Please remember the audio limitations of the Canon 5D Mark II - no device will turn this camera into a high end digital audio recorder. Cheers, Harry Kaufmann Product Support 416-690-9457 BeachTek The Audio Adapter Specialists Welcome to the new BeachTek website! Last edited by James Miller; June 11th, 2009 at 12:53 AM. Reason: Addition

June 3rd, 2009, 02:53 PM	#16
Wayne Avanson Major Player Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Lancashire UK Posts: 496	Nigel it is the i-Cuff DV code number MTICDV. It's the smallest one I think, and only just fits over the eyepiece of the loup and is as big as the loup itslf. Nice and snug. the velcro tape isn't long enough that wraps around the join but I had some velcro cable ties so I used one of those to lengthen it. It is more comfortable and like I say, it moves a bit so you can get a good view of the sweet spot. Avey

June 4th, 2009, 04:57 AM	#19
Wayne Avanson Major Player Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Lancashire UK Posts: 496	Hey Dan,How you getting on with the new Loup? Is it MUCH better than the Hoodman? Avey

June 11th, 2009, 08:23 AM	#27
Don Miller Major Player Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Chicago Posts: 706	With all the limitations of 5DII audio, and the availability of pluraleyes, I wonder about the advantage to to DXA-5D over a separate audio recorder. The cost of the Beachtek device is at the entry level of a separate recorder. I think people who really care about audio are going to buy the DXA and then buy the separate recorder anyways. To me, doing the reverse makes more sense. Get a separate recorder with the right meter display and controls, and then see if there is any need for the beechtek. I do a lot of stereo ambient type audio, and the 5DII doesn't cut it. So perhaps I'm biased against the DXA and the limitations of 5DII S/N.

June 11th, 2009, 12:08 PM	#28
Dan Brockett Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Los Angeles, California Posts: 2,109	I am not one to say "I told you so" but I have been posting on all of the boards since I did my first 5D MKII shoot with audio a month ago. The Canon 5D MKII will never be capable of recording high quality. It is fundamentally a still camera, not even a video camera and video cameras almost uniformly have poor quality audio as well. Even the RED One has terrible audio. I actually would have been VERY surprised if the 5D MKII or any other VDSLR had and level of audio quality. From all reports so far, the Panasonc DMC-GH1 also has quite poor audio quality, big surprise. Thanks goodness they did give the 5D MKII an internal mic, the bad audio is very useful for syncing double system sound. It is a little bit of extra work but it ends up sounding pretty good when you use an external recorder. The trick is choosing the correct feature set for your needs. I have been pretty happy with the Zoom H4N so far although I have not recorded in any quiet interiors with it yet but I did record some acoustic music performances and it sounded quite nice. I am afraid that if you care about your audio quality, double system sound is a prerequisite. Dan