Clear Choice for HDMI Monitor for 5D2? at DVinfo.net

Matthew Roddy · March 20th, 2009, 01:46 PM

I just posted a question here:
http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/sdtv-hdtv...ml#post1030890
but I thought this forum might be a better place to start, since we're all using the same camera and have similar missions.

I need to have a monitor by the 28th, since i have a project I'm shooting then with my 5D2, and will have a DP and other people needing to view a monitor.

ALL suggestions will be most appreciated.

Ray Bell · March 20th, 2009, 02:30 PM

I guess that Ikan updated to HDMI... this is the older monitor...

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Pete Kelso · March 20th, 2009, 02:57 PM

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Jon Fairhurst · March 20th, 2009, 03:55 PM

I haven't yet hooked up the 5D MkII HDMI output, but I understand that it devolves to 480 lines when recording. Given that, it seems that an HDMI monitor is overkill - unless used for reviewing footage. Also, isn't the output 4x3 during recording and Live View? An analog 4x3 monitor should do the trick for filming. For review, a regular HDTV would give a larger image that would show up flaws. Of course, you need AC power for the HDTV, but it doesn't need to be carted around with the camera as you shoot.

Ron Coker · March 20th, 2009, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Jon Fairhurst

I haven't yet hooked up the 5D MkII HDMI output, but I understand that it devolves to 480 lines when recording. Given that, it seems that an HDMI monitor is overkill - unless used for reviewing footage. Also, isn't the output 4x3 during recording and Live View? An analog 4x3 monitor should do the trick for filming. For review, a regular HDTV would give a larger image that would show up flaws. Of course, you need AC power for the HDTV, but it doesn't need to be carted around with the camera as you shoot.

I recently imported to Australia the Ikan V8000 HDMI kit + monitor arm and sun shade. B&H (UPS Freight @ US$390 + customs!!!) The end result, as you say, 480 lines when recording at 16X9. A total fizz.

What I have since discovered, a cheap 3in magnifying glass lens mounted in conduit tube with bracket, does a better job. Certainly more cost effective. I have used this approach with my EX1, it also works.

Chris Barcellos · March 20th, 2009, 06:36 PM

There are times when the monitor will help, and times when the magnifier will work. I have a cheap 19 HD monitor, a 200 7" portable monitor with battery pack, and the magnifier set up. I made one some weeks back and a picture of the sholder rig. It actually works very well. by the time the 16:9 SD monitor is chopped off at sides, your image is not much bigger than the LCD, and it resolves lower. And as for the 16:9 19 incher, I do have the HDMI cable now, but you actually get a bigger image through the composite cable...

Tyler Franco · March 20th, 2009, 06:54 PM

I bought a 19" Vizio 720p TV. Talk about cheap and has HDMI and composite inputs. Of course this only works when you have something to set it on and power.

Mark Hahn · March 20th, 2009, 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jon Fairhurst

I haven't yet hooked up the 5D MkII HDMI output, but I understand that it devolves to 480 lines when recording. Given that, it seems that an HDMI monitor is overkill - unless used for reviewing footage. Also, isn't the output 4x3 during recording and Live View? An analog 4x3 monitor should do the trick for filming. For review, a regular HDTV would give a larger image that would show up flaws. Of course, you need AC power for the HDTV, but it doesn't need to be carted around with the camera as you shoot.

A laptop with USB shows the full 1080p image while setting up and shooting. Surely there is some way to take advantage of that instead of the crippled HDMI output.

Tyler Franco · March 20th, 2009, 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Hahn

A laptop with USB shows the full 1080p image while setting up and shooting. Surely there is some way to take advantage of that instead of the crippled HDMI output.

How is this possible? I've not heard of monitoring through USB on a laptop. That could be a solution when there is no power available.

Mark Hahn · March 20th, 2009, 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyler Franco

How is this possible? I've not heard of monitoring through USB on a laptop. That could be a solution when there is no power available.

The standard Canon EOS software does it. You can also control the camera. The laptop battery can be swapped just like the camera's. The big display on the laptop is great except you see everything the lCD sees including the stupid white square. The viewer (director) can hide it in the corner with his mouse.

My only problem is in giving the director a replay of a scene. There is no way to play back the scene except to use the little LCD on the camera or move the CF card over, which is what I do now. Scenes are usually short and you can copy a scene at 4X rate.

I'm working on a kludge to be able to start viewing the scene immediately after putting the card in. My theory is that when the director thinks he has a good shot from watching the laptop screen live, I swap CF cards and give him the old one. Then he can decide to shoot or review himself.

The director can even put the shots he likes in folders organized the way he thinks. You could even drag them into an editor and watch rough cuts on the spot.

Tyler Franco · March 20th, 2009, 10:07 PM

Thanks Mark, I'm going to go try this out. I don't know why I was never aware of it before.

Mark Hahn · March 20th, 2009, 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyler Franco

Thanks Mark, I'm going to go try this out. I don't know why I was never aware of it before.

I have been using Canon live-view USB tethered software for years. I did it without even thinking. Video is just an extension of the live-view.

I have found the video to be good, but I've never seen the video on one of these real monitors discussed on this thread. Let me know how it compares. I assume there is a delay, but the director wouldn't care.

William Chung · March 23rd, 2009, 11:16 AM

Wow great idea. Do you think hooking a netbook top of laptop like a 10 dell mini would do the trick? I could fashion some kind of stand my tripod to put this smalll laptop on there .

Matthew Roddy · March 23rd, 2009, 12:41 PM

I tried t his the other night, after reading about it here.

It works on a desktop, so I'd guess it will work on a laptop, since it's only USB.
And since it IS only USB, the display is significantly reduced in frame rate.

To my eye,I'd guess I was getting about 12FPS update with a bit of a lag (as noted above).

As far as I know, USB just can't transfer that kind of data quickly enough for real-time.

On the plus side (for me), I hooked the HDMI from the camera into my 50" Panny, and was not offended by the 480p display. I think a nice little (inexpensive) monitor will be a benefit on most shoots that I do.

William Chung · March 23rd, 2009, 01:56 PM

Ugh too bad about the 12 fps.. If it was just a little more I think it would a perfect solution for a 5d II photog / videographer remote. Even at 12 fps i think it would be good enough for helping focus though. USB 2.0's bandwidth i would think should be enough for it.

March 20th, 2009, 01:46 PM	#1
Matthew Roddy Major Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Riverside, Ca Posts: 307	Clear Choice for HDMI Monitor for 5D2? I just posted a question here: http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/sdtv-hdtv...ml#post1030890 but I thought this forum might be a better place to start, since we're all using the same camera and have similar missions. I need to have a monitor by the 28th, since i have a project I'm shooting then with my 5D2, and will have a DP and other people needing to view a monitor. ALL suggestions will be most appreciated.

March 20th, 2009, 02:57 PM	#3
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March 20th, 2009, 03:55 PM	#4
Jon Fairhurst Inner Circle Join Date: May 2006 Location: Camas, WA, USA Posts: 5,513	I haven't yet hooked up the 5D MkII HDMI output, but I understand that it devolves to 480 lines when recording. Given that, it seems that an HDMI monitor is overkill - unless used for reviewing footage. Also, isn't the output 4x3 during recording and Live View? An analog 4x3 monitor should do the trick for filming. For review, a regular HDTV would give a larger image that would show up flaws. Of course, you need AC power for the HDTV, but it doesn't need to be carted around with the camera as you shoot. __________________ Jon Fairhurst

March 20th, 2009, 06:36 PM	#6
Chris Barcellos Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Elk Grove CA Posts: 6,838	There are times when the monitor will help, and times when the magnifier will work. I have a cheap 19 HD monitor, a 200 7" portable monitor with battery pack, and the magnifier set up. I made one some weeks back and a picture of the sholder rig. It actually works very well. by the time the 16:9 SD monitor is chopped off at sides, your image is not much bigger than the LCD, and it resolves lower. And as for the 16:9 19 incher, I do have the HDMI cable now, but you actually get a bigger image through the composite cable... __________________ Chris J. Barcellos

March 20th, 2009, 02:30 PM	#2
Ray Bell Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,414	I guess that Ikan updated to HDMI... this is the older monitor... IKanV8000HDe :: Digital Juice

March 20th, 2009, 06:54 PM	#7
Tyler Franco Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 172	I bought a 19" Vizio 720p TV. Talk about cheap and has HDMI and composite inputs. Of course this only works when you have something to set it on and power.

March 20th, 2009, 10:07 PM	#11
Tyler Franco Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 172	Thanks Mark, I'm going to go try this out. I don't know why I was never aware of it before.

March 23rd, 2009, 11:16 AM	#13
William Chung Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Duluth, GA Posts: 80	Wow great idea. Do you think hooking a netbook top of laptop like a 10 dell mini would do the trick? I could fashion some kind of stand my tripod to put this smalll laptop on there .

March 23rd, 2009, 12:41 PM	#14
Matthew Roddy Major Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Riverside, Ca Posts: 307	I tried t his the other night, after reading about it here. It works on a desktop, so I'd guess it will work on a laptop, since it's only USB. And since it IS only USB, the display is significantly reduced in frame rate. To my eye,I'd guess I was getting about 12FPS update with a bit of a lag (as noted above). As far as I know, USB just can't transfer that kind of data quickly enough for real-time. On the plus side (for me), I hooked the HDMI from the camera into my 50" Panny, and was not offended by the 480p display. I think a nice little (inexpensive) monitor will be a benefit on most shoots that I do.

March 23rd, 2009, 01:56 PM	#15
William Chung Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Duluth, GA Posts: 80	Ugh too bad about the 12 fps.. If it was just a little more I think it would a perfect solution for a 5d II photog / videographer remote. Even at 12 fps i think it would be good enough for helping focus though. USB 2.0's bandwidth i would think should be enough for it.