New Firmware Update at DVinfo.net

Andrew Clark · January 7th, 2009, 08:26 PM

Hey all -

Don't know if this is already posted, here or elsewhere, but just in case...here it is:

Canon EOS 5D MarkII Firmware Update

This firmware update (supposedly) addresses the "black dot" and "vertical banding" issues.

Mark Baciak · January 7th, 2009, 11:26 PM

I just successfully updated my firmware to 1.0.7. Thanks for the link!

-Mark

James Miller · January 7th, 2009, 11:45 PM

Movie mode remains the same, no full manual controls. Do'h

Michael Murie · January 8th, 2009, 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by James Miller

Movie mode remains the same, no full manual controls. Do'h

I think you're setting yourself up for continual disappointment. The chances that Canon will update the firmware to do this are practically nil (have they ever released firmware for an existing camera that added functionality?)

Wait for the 5D Mark III and the 60D.

Bunseng Chuor · January 8th, 2009, 09:43 AM

i feel very disappointing on the update.
there no update related to the video that we all wanted to be,
sine it was request by a hug customer.

DO CANON LISTEN TO US? i think they don't they still don't want to kill there Camcorder industry,
i hate to say that but the BIG company never listen to customer.

Sean Seah · January 8th, 2009, 09:51 AM

I tink the Sony camcorder guys listened thou. I'm pretty happy with most of the XDCAM series. As the guys said, I too doubt that Canon will ever give us the manual controls. At least the black dot and banding thingy will be minimised.

John Stakes · January 8th, 2009, 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bunseng Chuor

i feel very disappointing on the update.
there no update related to the video that we all wanted to be,
sine it was request by a hug customer.

DO CANON LISTEN TO US? i think they don't they still don't want to kill there Camcorder industry,
i hate to say that but the BIG company never listen to customer.

Actually, I think Canon does listen; take the XH A1s for example. After all The MkII's job is to take stills ; )

JS

John Palaganas · January 8th, 2009, 11:29 AM

Wait for the tapeless successor for XH-A1?

When do they announce their new prosumer cams?

Michael Murie · January 8th, 2009, 01:14 PM

I think they listen, and I don't think they are specifically limiting the 5D Mark II to protect their video camera business. Rather, I suspect that the video capability came rather late in the development cycle, that's - I think - why the controls are so limited, and also why the recording mode is hidden away in a menu rather than it's own button on the camera.

And I think camera makers just have a different design philosophy to computer makers. They bring out a new camera, and then they switch the development team to the next camera. They only go back to fix bugs if they have to. If they were to redesign the firmware to add new features they'd have to undertake a specific development effort to do so....that's just not the way they have done things in the past. (Actually, you could probably say that about most non-OS based electronic devices.)

So I don't think there are any big conspiracies, just realities we probably have to live with.

Michael Murie · January 8th, 2009, 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Palaganas

Wait for the tapeless successor for XH-A1?

When do they announce their new prosumer cams?

Maybe NAB in April?

Steve Mullen · January 8th, 2009, 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Murie

And I think camera makers just have a different design philosophy to computer makers. They bring out a new camera, and then they switch the development team to the next camera. They only go back to fix bugs if they have to. If they were to redesign the firmware to add new features they'd have to undertake a specific development effort to do so....that's just not the way they have done things in the past. (Actually, you could probably say that about most non-OS based electronic devices.)

So I don't think there are any big conspiracies, just realities we probably have to live with.

You are correct. The product is design and ordered in quantity with updates limited to "fixes" that were likely underway long before any customers posted "problems." Both the Canon and Nikon use LIVEVIEW as a source of a stream of images that can be recorded.

By definition LIVEVIEW is designed to optimally present a pix to the photographer so he/he can frame and focus. In reality, a D-SLR doesn't really need LIVEVIEW because it is an SLR. Which means LIVEVIEW's main purpose is an adjunct to the VF! So it is icing on the VF cake and movies are cute flowers made of icing.

This is not the case with the Casio EX-F1. It was designed from day one around a Sony EXMO CMOS chip (about 1/2-inch) which has both minimal rolling-shutter and continuous high-speed operation. It was designed to use various size windows each with it's own frame-rate. Video is simply one of the many frame-rates. 30p uses a 1280x720 window. A 1920x1080 window (or larger) runs at 60p which is converted to 1080i60. The next size window is 300fps. The smallest window runs the chip at 1200fps. (It's strobe runs at 7fps.)

When you shoot either size HD movie a special Program AE mode limits the shutter-speed to 1/30th to 1/100th -- as it should for video. It also allows manual aperture control plus manual focus. However, you don't get manual gain control although it smartly limits gain to ISO 800 which enables recording at EV8 or higher.

Thus, while it does work very nicely as an ENG style HD video camera -- it isn't really a camcorder. Just like the Canon and Nikon are not camcorders. They are for ENG shooting like in Gaza. This craze to turn them into 35mm movie cameras is ignoring their technology as it IS and hoping somehow Canon and/or Nikon will "fix"them with firmware. They ain't broken for news photographers that need to also shoot video.

Greg Milneck · January 8th, 2009, 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bunseng Chuor

i feel very disappointing on the update.
there no update related to the video that we all wanted to be,
sine it was request by a hug customer.

DO CANON LISTEN TO US? i think they don't they still don't want to kill there Camcorder industry,
i hate to say that but the BIG company never listen to customer.

The camera has only been out a month, I think you expect too much. They quickly released a fix, pretty good in my book.

Drew Long · January 9th, 2009, 03:05 AM

Not that I expect a firmware update that will give us more control, but Canon actually has added more functionality to their cameras in the past.
The Canon 1DsMark III when first released could not control the AF points with the back joystick. It was enabled with firmware updates.
I think the 1D series will be where Canon puts in more control with video.. There's talk about how such a camera would not be allowed in many broadcast events due to licensing issues. I don't buy that as any professional photog who breaks the rules will have their press credentials pulled and also probably sued for copyright issues.

James Miller · January 9th, 2009, 06:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Murie

I think you're setting yourself up for continual disappointment. The chances that Canon will update the firmware to do this are practically nil (have they ever released firmware for an existing camera that added functionality?)

Wait for the 5D Mark III and the 60D.

Michael, I don't think I'm setting my self up for continual disappointment far from it, I am an optimist and will continue to make the camera work as is. It would have been nice to have more manual controls but it not the end of my world, I can work around them.

At the end of the day I bought this camera as an upgrade to the 5D.

If no body ever questioned things, nothing would ever change.

Julian Frost · January 12th, 2009, 03:47 AM

I spoke with Canon representatives at the Canon booth at C.E.S. in Las Vegas this week. I spoke to both guys manning the DSLR desk, and was carrying my 5D mk II slung over my shoulder and wearing my press pass. I told them I loved the camera, but thought that Canon had shot themselves in the foot by not enabling full manual control in video mode. Their reply to me was, "It's a stills camera!" I explained to them that if they read any review on the camera on the web, they'd see that everyone bemoans the lack of full manual control and that those of us who want to use the camera to its fullest end up buying Nikon lenses! To prove my point, I opened my camera case, and showed him that 2 of the 3 lenses I was carrying at that time were made by Nikon. I said, "Instead of people buying $1,000 Canon lenses, we're all buying sub-$300 Nikon lenses!"

One rep told me that if they allowed full manual control in the 5D mk II's video mode, it would "eat into the professional video camera market." This is, of course, a ludicrous suggestion, as a fully manually controlled 5D mk II would still not be comparable to a professional, or prosumer camera like the XH-A1 or above. We all know that within a year or two, Canon will be making a prosumer camera with full frame sensors and it'll be much more expensive than the 5D mk II. Those who want/need the prosumer video camera will buy it. Those who want a kick ass DSLR will buy the 5D mk II.

So ultimately, it seems that Canon doesn't want to make their product better and more useful for their customers.

Julian

January 7th, 2009, 08:26 PM	#1
Andrew Clark Major Player Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 477	New Firmware Update Hey all - Don't know if this is already posted, here or elsewhere, but just in case...here it is: Canon EOS 5D MarkII Firmware Update This firmware update (supposedly) addresses the "black dot" and "vertical banding" issues.

January 12th, 2009, 03:47 AM	#15
Julian Frost Major Player Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: California USA Posts: 576	Canon at C.E.S. I spoke with Canon representatives at the Canon booth at C.E.S. in Las Vegas this week. I spoke to both guys manning the DSLR desk, and was carrying my 5D mk II slung over my shoulder and wearing my press pass. I told them I loved the camera, but thought that Canon had shot themselves in the foot by not enabling full manual control in video mode. Their reply to me was, "It's a stills camera!" I explained to them that if they read any review on the camera on the web, they'd see that everyone bemoans the lack of full manual control and that those of us who want to use the camera to its fullest end up buying Nikon lenses! To prove my point, I opened my camera case, and showed him that 2 of the 3 lenses I was carrying at that time were made by Nikon. I said, "Instead of people buying $1,000 Canon lenses, we're all buying sub-$300 Nikon lenses!" One rep told me that if they allowed full manual control in the 5D mk II's video mode, it would "eat into the professional video camera market." This is, of course, a ludicrous suggestion, as a fully manually controlled 5D mk II would still not be comparable to a professional, or prosumer camera like the XH-A1 or above. We all know that within a year or two, Canon will be making a prosumer camera with full frame sensors and it'll be much more expensive than the 5D mk II. Those who want/need the prosumer video camera will buy it. Those who want a kick ass DSLR will buy the 5D mk II. So ultimately, it seems that Canon doesn't want to make their product better and more useful for their customers. Julian

January 7th, 2009, 11:26 PM	#2
Mark Baciak Tourist Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Seattle, WA USA Posts: 3	I just successfully updated my firmware to 1.0.7. Thanks for the link! -Mark

January 7th, 2009, 11:45 PM	#3
James Miller Major Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Sussex, UK Posts: 317	Movie mode remains the same, no full manual controls. Do'h

January 8th, 2009, 09:43 AM	#5
Bunseng Chuor Regular Crew Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Cambodia Posts: 43	i feel very disappointing on the update. there no update related to the video that we all wanted to be, sine it was request by a hug customer. DO CANON LISTEN TO US? i think they don't they still don't want to kill there Camcorder industry, i hate to say that but the BIG company never listen to customer.

January 8th, 2009, 09:51 AM	#6
Sean Seah Trustee Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,498	I tink the Sony camcorder guys listened thou. I'm pretty happy with most of the XDCAM series. As the guys said, I too doubt that Canon will ever give us the manual controls. At least the black dot and banding thingy will be minimised.

January 8th, 2009, 11:29 AM	#8
John Palaganas Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 71	Wait for the tapeless successor for XH-A1? When do they announce their new prosumer cams?

January 8th, 2009, 01:14 PM	#9
Michael Murie Major Player Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Woburn, MA Posts: 205	I think they listen, and I don't think they are specifically limiting the 5D Mark II to protect their video camera business. Rather, I suspect that the video capability came rather late in the development cycle, that's - I think - why the controls are so limited, and also why the recording mode is hidden away in a menu rather than it's own button on the camera. And I think camera makers just have a different design philosophy to computer makers. They bring out a new camera, and then they switch the development team to the next camera. They only go back to fix bugs if they have to. If they were to redesign the firmware to add new features they'd have to undertake a specific development effort to do so....that's just not the way they have done things in the past. (Actually, you could probably say that about most non-OS based electronic devices.) So I don't think there are any big conspiracies, just realities we probably have to live with.

January 9th, 2009, 03:05 AM	#13
Drew Long Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 64	Not that I expect a firmware update that will give us more control, but Canon actually has added more functionality to their cameras in the past. The Canon 1DsMark III when first released could not control the AF points with the back joystick. It was enabled with firmware updates. I think the 1D series will be where Canon puts in more control with video.. There's talk about how such a camera would not be allowed in many broadcast events due to licensing issues. I don't buy that as any professional photog who breaks the rules will have their press credentials pulled and also probably sued for copyright issues.