I'm a Canon 1DsMKIII Shooter - Need Advice on 5D MKII Type Quality Cam at DVinfo.net

Steve Mullholand · December 4th, 2008, 01:43 PM

Hello all -

I've been given a project to create high-quality video and the only reference point that I have is the 5D MKII. I LOVE the low light capabilities of the 5D and am looking for a true video camera that can do this for me.

What are my options as it looks like the 5D MKII might be too constraining in the audio side as I don't want two systems.

Tyler Franco · December 4th, 2008, 02:24 PM

What's your budget and are you looking to rent or own?

Jon Fairhurst · December 4th, 2008, 04:05 PM

I'm not sure about your audio question, but here goes...

* You can use the onboard mic. If nothing else, this is handy for syncing audio from a separate recorder.

* You can connect a "real" microphone to the 1/8" input using an adapter/transformer. They cost about $20. The mic must be self powered (dynamic, or a shotgun with a battery). You can't control the gain though...

* You can connect via an external mixer, such as a BeachTek or SoundDevices. Now you have phantom power and level control. There is a debate about whether or not the camera will mess things up with automatic gain control though.

* The surefire solution is a separate recorder, such as a Zoom H4 or better. As long as there is enough recognizable audio, you can sync to the onboard mic without the need for a clapper. If there's no dialog to use as a reference, make sure to say something unique to sync to at the start of each shot. You might use a clapper once, so you can account for any video/audio delay in the camera.

The other option is to choose a different camera with good audio features, but nothing else competes at this price point with such a large sensor and low-light sensitivity. Yet.

Steve Mullholand · December 5th, 2008, 12:17 PM

^ Thanks - that makes sense.

I have around $25,000 to purchase everything from cameras (need 2) to software / PC or Mac / and maybe some training...?!?

I know that isn't a lot of money but I need to stretch this as far as I can. The bottom line - I need some really, really high-quality video for my clients. I usually shoot deep shadows / night shots and that is why I dug the 5DMKII so much. Plus I'm familiar with Canon - but I'm not tied to it either.

The best would be if I could get a system that I can create Blu-ray content as well... 30p looks awesome - but how tough is it to go to 24p??

Daniel Browning · December 5th, 2008, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Mullholand

I have around $25,000 to purchase everything from cameras (need 2) to software / PC or Mac / and maybe some training...?!?

The training is a great idea. You can learn a lot more about what you'll need after a few weeks of intense training. I like self-directed learning through books, videos, and practice.

Paulo Teixeira · December 5th, 2008, 03:13 PM

If your willing to wait until around March or April, the HD version of the G1 might be what you’re looking for since Panasonic promises that the camera will control just like a traditional AVCHD camcorder in its video mode.

Dan Chung · December 5th, 2008, 06:18 PM

Hi,

You need to give more detail about your project. What is your end use and output type? is it just Blue-ray? how much experience do you already have? is this an experiment or have you GOT to deliver? What genre is the shoot, does it have a lot of low light or fast motion?

The 5DmkII is a wonderful camera, but it does have a lot of limitations. Also, do you have many lenses already?

Dan

December 4th, 2008, 01:43 PM	#1
Steve Mullholand New Boot Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Key Largo, FL Posts: 24	I'm a Canon 1DsMKIII Shooter - Need Advice on 5D MKII Type Quality Cam Hello all - I've been given a project to create high-quality video and the only reference point that I have is the 5D MKII. I LOVE the low light capabilities of the 5D and am looking for a true video camera that can do this for me. What are my options as it looks like the 5D MKII might be too constraining in the audio side as I don't want two systems.

December 4th, 2008, 04:05 PM	#3
Jon Fairhurst Inner Circle Join Date: May 2006 Location: Camas, WA, USA Posts: 5,513	I'm not sure about your audio question, but here goes... * You can use the onboard mic. If nothing else, this is handy for syncing audio from a separate recorder. * You can connect a "real" microphone to the 1/8" input using an adapter/transformer. They cost about $20. The mic must be self powered (dynamic, or a shotgun with a battery). You can't control the gain though... * You can connect via an external mixer, such as a BeachTek or SoundDevices. Now you have phantom power and level control. There is a debate about whether or not the camera will mess things up with automatic gain control though. * The surefire solution is a separate recorder, such as a Zoom H4 or better. As long as there is enough recognizable audio, you can sync to the onboard mic without the need for a clapper. If there's no dialog to use as a reference, make sure to say something unique to sync to at the start of each shot. You might use a clapper once, so you can account for any video/audio delay in the camera. The other option is to choose a different camera with good audio features, but nothing else competes at this price point with such a large sensor and low-light sensitivity. Yet. __________________ Jon Fairhurst

December 5th, 2008, 03:13 PM	#6
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December 4th, 2008, 02:24 PM	#2
Tyler Franco Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 172	What's your budget and are you looking to rent or own?

December 5th, 2008, 12:17 PM	#4
Steve Mullholand New Boot Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Key Largo, FL Posts: 24	^ Thanks - that makes sense. I have around $25,000 to purchase everything from cameras (need 2) to software / PC or Mac / and maybe some training...?!? I know that isn't a lot of money but I need to stretch this as far as I can. The bottom line - I need some really, really high-quality video for my clients. I usually shoot deep shadows / night shots and that is why I dug the 5DMKII so much. Plus I'm familiar with Canon - but I'm not tied to it either. The best would be if I could get a system that I can create Blu-ray content as well... 30p looks awesome - but how tough is it to go to 24p??

December 5th, 2008, 06:18 PM	#7
Dan Chung Major Player Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Beijing Posts: 665	Hi, You need to give more detail about your project. What is your end use and output type? is it just Blue-ray? how much experience do you already have? is this an experiment or have you GOT to deliver? What genre is the shoot, does it have a lot of low light or fast motion? The 5DmkII is a wonderful camera, but it does have a lot of limitations. Also, do you have many lenses already? Dan