Full HD on Canon EOS 5D Mk. II -- officially announced

Tyler Franco · September 22nd, 2008, 01:20 PM

I see exposure shifting in the demo videos. You'd think they would have some way to lock exposure wouldn't you? You'd also think if they HAD that ability that Canon would have used it in the official promo videos?

Hmmmmmmm.....

I'd like to shoot a low budget feature with this camera.... if it can be pulled off. This would have to be a better solution than a Sony EX1 with a Letus.

Vincent Oliver · September 22nd, 2008, 02:10 PM

You could shoot a low budget film with this camera and indeed the Nikon D90, but I think it would be like running a thee leg marathon race. i.e. its fun to do for a short distance but anything longer will be a handicap.

From my short experience with the D90, I would not be tempted to use the movie feature for anything other than my children on the beach, which I suppose was the intention for this feature. The Canon may (probably) be better, but to expect in focus High Definition quality footage could be a tall order.

Tyler Franco · September 22nd, 2008, 03:08 PM

A live view coming out of the HDMI port would help a lot... guess we'll see.

Gints Klimanis · September 22nd, 2008, 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Hurd

I see that as a Blu-ray problem... which in my opinion the Blu-ray consortium really needs to fix.

No problem. BluRay will have a short life, mostly because the difference between DVD and BluRay is not obvious all of the time. Early authors have been eliminated by the expense of BD-Rs, expense of burners, and lack of BD-R support of every non-PS3 BluRay player. The slow release rate of BluRay movies reflects the rental and purchase market -> small. More than half of the BluRay library is slow-selling transfers from films, and they are barely high definition to my eyes.

Christopher Witz · September 22nd, 2008, 05:22 PM

it appears that this camera shoots 1080i not 1080p.... bummer.

Canon 5D MKII Pre-Preview Report

Michael does know the difference as he owns a sony ex1 and has many years of video experience. I'm hoping he has made an error.... but I doubt it.

good news is that he did not notice any rolling shutter....

Chris Hurd · September 22nd, 2008, 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Christopher Witz

I'm hoping he has made an error...

He has made at least one error:

"Nikon with their D90... shoots 720 30P, in others words 1280 X720 progressive at 30 FPS."

As we all know, the Nikon D90 shoots 24p, not 30p.

Tim Polster · September 22nd, 2008, 06:30 PM

-"Meanwhile Canon shoots video in the 5DMKII using 1080i HD standard at 30 FPS. This is the top 1920 X 1080 resolution, roughly twice the resolution of 720P"

Well I would disagree with this statement from his article.

1080p would be the top 1920x1080 resolution.

-"You can set the ISO beforehand but not the exposure, other than via a plus / minus exposure compensation adjustment available via the rear wheel control. There also doesn't appear to be any way to control exposure in video mode (other than the aperture (+ / -) wheel), because exposure control appears to be allocated to stills mode."

This sounds like the video mode will be as one would expect from a still camera, not a like video camera.

Looks like it was too good to be true. :(

I don't see much use for auto exposure in the kind of work video folks do.

But I will still hope until after the full reviews come out...

Christopher Witz · September 22nd, 2008, 06:39 PM

well, I've searched the web and the only mention of I or P is micheal... Even canon leaves out whether it's I or P.

Kurth Bousman · September 22nd, 2008, 07:06 PM

Well Michael has captured the footage into fcp and converted to aic - sounds like he might be right.

Rick Hill · September 22nd, 2008, 07:27 PM

Quote:

When this brief review was first written in early September I was under the impression that the 5D MKII shot 1080i video. Since I left for a shoot in Africa just a day or so later it was not until I returned on Sept 22 that I discovered that in fact it shoots 1080P. All the better.

I apologize to those that read this during the first few hours that it was online for the incorrect information.

Article has been fixed.

Ger Griffin · September 22nd, 2008, 07:40 PM

Framerate still sucks for me.

Gints Klimanis · September 22nd, 2008, 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Polster

I don't see much use for auto exposure in the kind of work video folks do.

Many have written that you can lock the exposure after setting it, but you don't have specific control over the settings. With lenses that have an aperture ring, you can manually lock the aperture, but then how is shutter speed controlled? These video modes will improve in the future.

Christopher Witz · September 22nd, 2008, 07:48 PM

"Article has been fixed."

praise cheeses!

Dan Chung · September 22nd, 2008, 08:06 PM

Do you guys not read? in my previous post it states that if you use a Nikon lens on an adapter to EOS you can get manual aperture control after exposure lock, isn't that what we all wanted? Also most 35mm adapter guys already use Nikon glass anyways. Even better with the EOS mount you can also use Leica, Contax, Pentax and other glass with adapters too.

Bill Koehler · September 22nd, 2008, 08:08 PM

I haven't found it, but I know there is a thread about having to pay all sorts of fees if you are shooting professional video in the U.S. National Parks, but NOT if you are shooting stills.

<snicker>

How are the N.P. law enforcement zealots going to enforce that nonsense with a camera like this?

<snicker>

September 22nd, 2008, 01:20 PM	#136
Tyler Franco Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 172	I see exposure shifting in the demo videos. You'd think they would have some way to lock exposure wouldn't you? You'd also think if they HAD that ability that Canon would have used it in the official promo videos? Hmmmmmmm..... I'd like to shoot a low budget feature with this camera.... if it can be pulled off. This would have to be a better solution than a Sony EX1 with a Letus.

September 22nd, 2008, 02:10 PM	#137
Vincent Oliver Trustee Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Chislehurst, London Posts: 1,724	You could shoot a low budget film with this camera and indeed the Nikon D90, but I think it would be like running a thee leg marathon race. i.e. its fun to do for a short distance but anything longer will be a handicap. From my short experience with the D90, I would not be tempted to use the movie feature for anything other than my children on the beach, which I suppose was the intention for this feature. The Canon may (probably) be better, but to expect in focus High Definition quality footage could be a tall order.

September 22nd, 2008, 03:08 PM	#138
Tyler Franco Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 172	A live view coming out of the HDMI port would help a lot... guess we'll see.

September 22nd, 2008, 05:22 PM	#140
Christopher Witz Major Player Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 591	it appears that this camera shoots 1080i not 1080p.... bummer. Canon 5D MKII Pre-Preview Report Michael does know the difference as he owns a sony ex1 and has many years of video experience. I'm hoping he has made an error.... but I doubt it. good news is that he did not notice any rolling shutter....

September 22nd, 2008, 06:30 PM	#142
Tim Polster Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Arlington, TX Posts: 2,231	-"Meanwhile Canon shoots video in the 5DMKII using 1080i HD standard at 30 FPS. This is the top 1920 X 1080 resolution, roughly twice the resolution of 720P" Well I would disagree with this statement from his article. 1080p would be the top 1920x1080 resolution. -"You can set the ISO beforehand but not the exposure, other than via a plus / minus exposure compensation adjustment available via the rear wheel control. There also doesn't appear to be any way to control exposure in video mode (other than the aperture (+ / -) wheel), because exposure control appears to be allocated to stills mode." This sounds like the video mode will be as one would expect from a still camera, not a like video camera. Looks like it was too good to be true. :( I don't see much use for auto exposure in the kind of work video folks do. But I will still hope until after the full reviews come out...

September 22nd, 2008, 06:39 PM	#143
Christopher Witz Major Player Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 591	well, I've searched the web and the only mention of I or P is micheal... Even canon leaves out whether it's I or P.

September 22nd, 2008, 07:06 PM	#144
Kurth Bousman Major Player Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: san miguel allende , gto , mexico Posts: 644	Well Michael has captured the footage into fcp and converted to aic - sounds like he might be right.

September 22nd, 2008, 07:40 PM	#146
Ger Griffin Major Player Join Date: May 2007 Location: Ireland Posts: 579	Framerate still sucks for me.

September 22nd, 2008, 07:48 PM	#148
Christopher Witz Major Player Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 591	"Article has been fixed." praise cheeses!

September 22nd, 2008, 08:06 PM	#149
Dan Chung Major Player Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Beijing Posts: 665	Do you guys not read? in my previous post it states that if you use a Nikon lens on an adapter to EOS you can get manual aperture control after exposure lock, isn't that what we all wanted? Also most 35mm adapter guys already use Nikon glass anyways. Even better with the EOS mount you can also use Leica, Contax, Pentax and other glass with adapters too.

September 22nd, 2008, 08:08 PM	#150
Bill Koehler Major Player Join Date: May 2007 Location: Alpharetta, Georgia, USA Posts: 760	I haven't found it, but I know there is a thread about having to pay all sorts of fees if you are shooting professional video in the U.S. National Parks, but NOT if you are shooting stills. <snicker> How are the N.P. law enforcement zealots going to enforce that nonsense with a camera like this? <snicker>