Is my workflow all wrong???? at DVinfo.net

Stephen J. Williams · November 12th, 2012, 02:41 PM

I wonder why when I watch videos on vimeo from the same camera, they have a much better quality then what I'm ending up with. Yes I know lenses matter....

I use two T2i and one T3i's, and as of late, I have not been happy with the way my footage has been coming out.

Does anyone see anything wrong with the workflow?

Shot at 24p
converted with streamclip to prores422
edited in FCP
exported as H.264

I am using a flat profile, which I plan on switching back to standard.

Here's an example...
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Burk Webb · November 12th, 2012, 03:03 PM

The video looks like it is squeezed to me - is that an upload error?

Stephen J. Williams · November 12th, 2012, 03:08 PM

Yeah it was squeezed, bad example.. I threw another one up there instead.

Burk Webb · November 12th, 2012, 03:19 PM

Thanks, that looks about right....

Checked it out, looks fine to me. Is there something specific that you think your not nailing?

I agree that Technicolor Cinestyle can be a bit of a bit of a bugger. I've gone back to using the "Stu Maschwitz" flat Neutral settings for most stuff. Cinestyle was cool for some things but I was having issues with noise.

Stephen J. Williams · November 12th, 2012, 03:25 PM

you know that might be just it... the noise is something that I noticed. I'm wasn't a huge fan of the SD picture profile, but I'm thinking of switching back. I'm not the best colorist to begin with, so have a picture profile that gives you grading flexibility, just isn't a "must" for me.

Thanks for the quick reply.

Victor Nguyen · November 12th, 2012, 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen J. Williams

you know that might be just it... the noise is something that I noticed. I'm wasn't a huge fan of the SD picture profile, but I'm thinking of switching back. I'm not the best colorist to begin with, so have a picture profile that gives you grading flexibility, just isn't a "must" for me.

Thanks for the quick reply.

I think Cine Style just gives more bit to highlights and shadows so that you can retain more information there. However, 8 bit is still 8 bit and there are probably less bit in midtone. So in the end, it doesn't really give you that much grading flexibility because your midtone is probably easier to crack when grading.

Jon Fairhurst · November 13th, 2012, 05:37 PM

It all depends on context. If you're shooting mid tone skin in a gray room with flat lighting, stay away from CineStyle. Go with Neutral or some other style that maintains good mid-tones.

However, if you're shooting a dark skinned person backlit on a sunny day (which gives deep shadows and very bright reflections from the skin), definitely go with CineStyle or some other very flat profile. When the most important content in the image is very dark and very light, CineStyle can be a lifesaver.

It all depends on the context.

November 12th, 2012, 02:41 PM	#1
Stephen J. Williams Major Player Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Mays Landing, NJ Posts: 768	Is my workflow all wrong???? I wonder why when I watch videos on vimeo from the same camera, they have a much better quality then what I'm ending up with. Yes I know lenses matter.... I use two T2i and one T3i's, and as of late, I have not been happy with the way my footage has been coming out. Does anyone see anything wrong with the workflow? Shot at 24p converted with streamclip to prores422 edited in FCP exported as H.264 I am using a flat profile, which I plan on switching back to standard. Here's an example... [ Antonio and Nicole on Vimeo steve Last edited by Stephen J. Williams; November 12th, 2012 at 03:12 PM.

November 12th, 2012, 03:03 PM	#2
Burk Webb Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 249	Re: Is my workflow all wrong???? The video looks like it is squeezed to me - is that an upload error?

November 12th, 2012, 03:08 PM	#3
Stephen J. Williams Major Player Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Mays Landing, NJ Posts: 768	Re: Is my workflow all wrong???? Yeah it was squeezed, bad example.. I threw another one up there instead.

November 12th, 2012, 03:19 PM	#4
Burk Webb Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 249	Re: Is my workflow all wrong???? Thanks, that looks about right.... Checked it out, looks fine to me. Is there something specific that you think your not nailing? I agree that Technicolor Cinestyle can be a bit of a bit of a bugger. I've gone back to using the "Stu Maschwitz" flat Neutral settings for most stuff. Cinestyle was cool for some things but I was having issues with noise.

November 12th, 2012, 03:25 PM	#5
Stephen J. Williams Major Player Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Mays Landing, NJ Posts: 768	Re: Is my workflow all wrong???? you know that might be just it... the noise is something that I noticed. I'm wasn't a huge fan of the SD picture profile, but I'm thinking of switching back. I'm not the best colorist to begin with, so have a picture profile that gives you grading flexibility, just isn't a "must" for me. Thanks for the quick reply.

November 13th, 2012, 05:37 PM	#7
Jon Fairhurst Inner Circle Join Date: May 2006 Location: Camas, WA, USA Posts: 5,513	Re: Is my workflow all wrong???? It all depends on context. If you're shooting mid tone skin in a gray room with flat lighting, stay away from CineStyle. Go with Neutral or some other style that maintains good mid-tones. However, if you're shooting a dark skinned person backlit on a sunny day (which gives deep shadows and very bright reflections from the skin), definitely go with CineStyle or some other very flat profile. When the most important content in the image is very dark and very light, CineStyle can be a lifesaver. It all depends on the context. __________________ Jon Fairhurst