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Steve Bleasdale · April 25th, 2011, 09:59 AM

Hey guys
Thought my premeire elements 8 would cope with the 60d full hd, it does but when i add effects and colours and such it bluscreens and green screens and crashes so i have to make the jump quick to transcode, do i use mpeg streamclip or ? to add to my 1080ix1440 hv40.so i can work smooth, if i use the transcoder do i just transcode the full hd to full hd in the transcoder as i dont want 720p!!! when i transfer my media through my card reader to computor from my sd card, do i put one clip or all of them at the same time through the transcode process, do i need to know anything else important?? can someone walk me through the process quick??? thanks steve

Steve Bleasdale · April 25th, 2011, 06:05 PM

can anyone bite??

Laurence Janus · April 26th, 2011, 12:14 AM

I hate to sound like a Cineform fanboy but Neoscene is soooooo good for transcoding

I think NeoHD will resize thing too... download a trial and see how you go

Steve Bleasdale · April 26th, 2011, 02:43 AM

Thanks Laurence will try

Chris Harding · April 26th, 2011, 05:09 AM

Hi Steve

I have been using NewBlue's Upshift now for 3 seasons...it converts AVCHD into MPEG2 "m2t" files at 50mbps and the results for me were way better and way easier than Neoscene (it's a tad cheaper too)

The end result, to my eyes, seems to produce a slightly sharper file than the original too!!!

The resultant files run on my DuoCore machine effortlessly with super smooth preview so it's my choice.

Both have trial downloads so why not explore both????

Chris

Steve Bleasdale · April 26th, 2011, 06:26 AM

Thanks chris, so the 60d mov files will transcode ok with new blue!! and you say it will keep the quality of the full hd files? the only other option is to get cs5 but im used to the prem 8 and i get around quick without learning cs5 unless its similar to prem 8 as both are adobe!! thanks steve

Steve Bleasdale · April 26th, 2011, 07:23 AM

Hey Chris i have downloaded trial newblue upshift and it wont accept mov files to transcode?? steve

Chris Harding · April 26th, 2011, 07:45 AM

Hi Steve

Darn!! I have never tried it with MOV's ..sorry about that ..Canon files are of course, AVCHD but wrapped in a MOV container...I really would have expected it to be able to handle the 60D files.

Sorry to lead you up the garden path!!! Guess you need to use Neoscene??? I had both, hence the suggestion...Neoscene will do MOV as far as I know!!

Chris

Charles Newcomb · April 26th, 2011, 08:06 AM

The book says they're h264 files wrapped into mov, not AVCHD. Are you sure you're talking about the 60d, Chris?

Now I need to go check... sort of like knowing your car is locked, but someone asks if it is and suddenly you're not sure.

I hate getting old.

Lisa Maxwell · April 26th, 2011, 10:23 AM

Hi Steve,

You and me are in the same boat so to speak. Here's what I've been doing:

Use mpeg streamclip (I believe it's free) to convert your H.264 files from your 60D to Apple ProRes 422 (LT)-oh wait, you don't have FCP? Oy, you're gonna have to invest in a good NLE I'm afraid. Well, any-who I'll keep going if anyone else needs to know...

I record in 24p at 1920x1080 NTSC-so in PAL land this may be different.

Convert your 60D files and your HV40 files (if you wanna use the multiclip functionality) in mpeg streamclip:
List, Batch List, Add files, export to QT, set destination folder, compression: Apple ProRes 422 (LT), Quality 100%, 1920x1080 (unscaled), UNcheck interlaced scaling and deinterlace video and any others, press To Batch, Press Go.

Voila...it processes your files. Bring 'em on in to FCP and start editing to your heart's content! If you have the power, RAM and storage and you're going to be doing a lot of graphics & filters you may want 4444, but it's processor intensive and makes humongous files.

Anyway, this is what I've been doing so far. May change as I keep learning. Or if someone pipes in and says I'm doing it completely and utterly wrong! Ha! Well, it's worked the first couple o'times anyway.

Matt Harvey · April 26th, 2011, 12:36 PM

You can use Avids DNxHD in streamclip on PC or ProRES on Mac.

Cheers

Matt

Steve Bleasdale · April 26th, 2011, 12:37 PM

Hi Lisa thanks, I think I will buy neoscene as it seems the best around. I will try mpeg stream first. I have a high spec computer but only premier elements 8 (which I'm used to, but need to upgrade more pro), the hv40 1080x1440 is a doddle so it's only the mov files to transcode then bring to the time line. The newblue won't accept mov files I've tried , so will experiment with neo or mpeg stream. Thanks for your time everyone.

Steve Bleasdale · April 26th, 2011, 12:42 PM

Cheers matt, thanks all, no doubt I will be back as arnie says, cheers steve

Steve Bleasdale · April 26th, 2011, 02:09 PM

Hey Lisa I'm loving the 60d with hv40! How u finding it? I like the 60d in just neutral with hv in cine ode 25p and + on custom settings, also standard on 60d with tv mode in daylight hv goes well!! When you adjust your exposure on the metre bar do you centre it or stop down one? Tell you what though you have to be quick to frame set exposure focus and keep steady!! But I think it's worth it!! Steve sunny England

Lisa Maxwell · April 26th, 2011, 03:21 PM

Well, I'll have my first test run with them both on Thursday. Just filming a local elementary school concert (PTO hired me to do it and I love those kids!) but it'll give me a good chance to see how well they integrate. Have two weddings in June I'm so excited about! Just getting them to match is gonna be my greatest challenge. I did go ahead and get two 60D's, but still want a third angle for weddings. We shall see how it goes!

April 25th, 2011, 09:59 AM	#1
Steve Bleasdale Trustee Join Date: May 2010 Location: England liverpool Posts: 1,343	transcode Hey guys Thought my premeire elements 8 would cope with the 60d full hd, it does but when i add effects and colours and such it bluscreens and green screens and crashes so i have to make the jump quick to transcode, do i use mpeg streamclip or ? to add to my 1080ix1440 hv40.so i can work smooth, if i use the transcoder do i just transcode the full hd to full hd in the transcoder as i dont want 720p!!! when i transfer my media through my card reader to computor from my sd card, do i put one clip or all of them at the same time through the transcode process, do i need to know anything else important?? can someone walk me through the process quick??? thanks steve

April 25th, 2011, 06:05 PM	#2
Steve Bleasdale Trustee Join Date: May 2010 Location: England liverpool Posts: 1,343	Re: transcode can anyone bite??

April 26th, 2011, 12:14 AM	#3
Laurence Janus Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Kyoto, Japan Posts: 139	Re: transcode I hate to sound like a Cineform fanboy but Neoscene is soooooo good for transcoding I think NeoHD will resize thing too... download a trial and see how you go __________________ SONY α77 :: Panasonic X900M :: Sony DSR-PD170P :: Miller DS5 :: Premiere Pro 2.0 :: Cineform NeoScene

April 26th, 2011, 02:43 AM	#4
Steve Bleasdale Trustee Join Date: May 2010 Location: England liverpool Posts: 1,343	Re: transcode Thanks Laurence will try

April 26th, 2011, 05:09 AM	#5
Chris Harding Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 8,441	Re: transcode Hi Steve I have been using NewBlue's Upshift now for 3 seasons...it converts AVCHD into MPEG2 "m2t" files at 50mbps and the results for me were way better and way easier than Neoscene (it's a tad cheaper too) The end result, to my eyes, seems to produce a slightly sharper file than the original too!!! The resultant files run on my DuoCore machine effortlessly with super smooth preview so it's my choice. Both have trial downloads so why not explore both???? Chris

April 26th, 2011, 06:26 AM	#6
Steve Bleasdale Trustee Join Date: May 2010 Location: England liverpool Posts: 1,343	Re: transcode Thanks chris, so the 60d mov files will transcode ok with new blue!! and you say it will keep the quality of the full hd files? the only other option is to get cs5 but im used to the prem 8 and i get around quick without learning cs5 unless its similar to prem 8 as both are adobe!! thanks steve

April 26th, 2011, 07:23 AM	#7
Steve Bleasdale Trustee Join Date: May 2010 Location: England liverpool Posts: 1,343	Re: transcode Hey Chris i have downloaded trial newblue upshift and it wont accept mov files to transcode?? steve

April 26th, 2011, 07:45 AM	#8
Chris Harding Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 8,441	Re: transcode Hi Steve Darn!! I have never tried it with MOV's ..sorry about that ..Canon files are of course, AVCHD but wrapped in a MOV container...I really would have expected it to be able to handle the 60D files. Sorry to lead you up the garden path!!! Guess you need to use Neoscene??? I had both, hence the suggestion...Neoscene will do MOV as far as I know!! Chris

April 26th, 2011, 08:06 AM	#9
Charles Newcomb Major Player Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Salida, Colorado Posts: 561	Re: transcode The book says they're h264 files wrapped into mov, not AVCHD. Are you sure you're talking about the 60d, Chris? Now I need to go check... sort of like knowing your car is locked, but someone asks if it is and suddenly you're not sure. I hate getting old.

April 26th, 2011, 10:23 AM	#10
Lisa Maxwell Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 135	Re: transcode Hi Steve, You and me are in the same boat so to speak. Here's what I've been doing: Use mpeg streamclip (I believe it's free) to convert your H.264 files from your 60D to Apple ProRes 422 (LT)-oh wait, you don't have FCP? Oy, you're gonna have to invest in a good NLE I'm afraid. Well, any-who I'll keep going if anyone else needs to know... I record in 24p at 1920x1080 NTSC-so in PAL land this may be different. Convert your 60D files and your HV40 files (if you wanna use the multiclip functionality) in mpeg streamclip: List, Batch List, Add files, export to QT, set destination folder, compression: Apple ProRes 422 (LT), Quality 100%, 1920x1080 (unscaled), UNcheck interlaced scaling and deinterlace video and any others, press To Batch, Press Go. Voila...it processes your files. Bring 'em on in to FCP and start editing to your heart's content! If you have the power, RAM and storage and you're going to be doing a lot of graphics & filters you may want 4444, but it's processor intensive and makes humongous files. Anyway, this is what I've been doing so far. May change as I keep learning. Or if someone pipes in and says I'm doing it completely and utterly wrong! Ha! Well, it's worked the first couple o'times anyway.

April 26th, 2011, 12:36 PM	#11
Matt Harvey Regular Crew Join Date: May 2004 Location: Cambridge, UK Posts: 30	Re: transcode You can use Avids DNxHD in streamclip on PC or ProRES on Mac. Cheers Matt

April 26th, 2011, 12:37 PM	#12
Steve Bleasdale Trustee Join Date: May 2010 Location: England liverpool Posts: 1,343	Re: transcode Hi Lisa thanks, I think I will buy neoscene as it seems the best around. I will try mpeg stream first. I have a high spec computer but only premier elements 8 (which I'm used to, but need to upgrade more pro), the hv40 1080x1440 is a doddle so it's only the mov files to transcode then bring to the time line. The newblue won't accept mov files I've tried , so will experiment with neo or mpeg stream. Thanks for your time everyone.

April 26th, 2011, 12:42 PM	#13
Steve Bleasdale Trustee Join Date: May 2010 Location: England liverpool Posts: 1,343	Re: transcode Cheers matt, thanks all, no doubt I will be back as arnie says, cheers steve

April 26th, 2011, 02:09 PM	#14
Steve Bleasdale Trustee Join Date: May 2010 Location: England liverpool Posts: 1,343	Re: transcode Hey Lisa I'm loving the 60d with hv40! How u finding it? I like the 60d in just neutral with hv in cine ode 25p and + on custom settings, also standard on 60d with tv mode in daylight hv goes well!! When you adjust your exposure on the metre bar do you centre it or stop down one? Tell you what though you have to be quick to frame set exposure focus and keep steady!! But I think it's worth it!! Steve sunny England

April 26th, 2011, 03:21 PM	#15
Lisa Maxwell Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 135	Re: transcode Well, I'll have my first test run with them both on Thursday. Just filming a local elementary school concert (PTO hired me to do it and I love those kids!) but it'll give me a good chance to see how well they integrate. Have two weddings in June I'm so excited about! Just getting them to match is gonna be my greatest challenge. I did go ahead and get two 60D's, but still want a third angle for weddings. We shall see how it goes!