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Liam Hall · May 30th, 2010, 11:22 AM

I'm looking for a better and more convenient field back-up solution.

Currently I'm using a 17 inch Apple lap-top and copying the CF cards to two Lacie Rugged drives, one travels with me and one my producer. Not only is this an expensive way to back-up in the field, but it is also cumbersome to carry around the extra gear.

I was wondering what everyone else is doing and if anyone has a lightweight, mobile and fast back-up solution.

Bruce S. Yarock · May 30th, 2010, 09:30 PM

Liam,
I've heard about the Nexto
http://www.itechdiary.com/nexto-extr...t-computer.htm

and the hyperdrive, but don't know anyone with either.
Let us know what you find out.
Bruce yarock

Norman Pogson · May 31st, 2010, 09:00 AM

I have this small portable drive that has a battery and charger unit PicPac - **NEW** 80GB Digital Camera and Camcorder Portable Backup: Wolverine Data

Also I have a lot of memory cards, if it is a long trip, then I have to take a set up like yours.

I got my Wolverine from Costco online a couple of years ago.

Stephen Mick · May 31st, 2010, 09:08 AM

I've got the Nexto Video Storage Pro, and it's my field-offloading workhorse. Though I haven't used it for this, you can apparently connect a USB drive TO the unit and offload one card to both the Nexto and the USB-connected drive at the same time.

(From the NEXTODi site)…

• (USB host) function. (With this feature, if a memory card is inserted to a

Nexto, the data is copied to the internal built-in hard drive and an external

hard drive which is plugged into the Nexto using a USB cable).

EDIT: So I just fired up my NEXTO and simultaneously copied 20GB worth of 7D footage to both the internal NEXTO drive and a USB connected Iomega drive I had sitting around. So, for light-weight field backup/offload, this should have you covered.

Liam Hall · May 31st, 2010, 11:57 AM

I've seen the Nexto, it looks a well featured product and I'd be tempted if it had a solid state drive, but ultimately I think it's overpriced for what it is.

What's everyone else doing for field back-up?

Ike Tamigian · May 31st, 2010, 01:12 PM

A netbook.

Liam Hall · May 31st, 2010, 01:47 PM

I know diddly about netbooks, but wondered if someone would mention them. Is there a netbook with firewire or eSata?

Ed Cubillan · June 2nd, 2010, 02:23 PM

Netbooks are basic laptops with low end processors, video, etc. Usually enough to perform the most basic needs. Don't be expecting to edit/process high end videos or play high end games with them.

Therefore, you will not be able to find a netbook with an external firewire or esata connection. Usually only USB. There are regular laptops, that do contain firewire and/or esata connections and are as small as a netbook. Netbooks are just cheaper, since they are basic, compared to a regular laptop.

Kin Lau · June 2nd, 2010, 04:00 PM

I use the Hyperdrive Colorspace UDMA, and it works well for downloading in the field. I can download 30gigs in about 10min's. What I like about the Hyperdrive, is that it's designed to be user upgradeable, so you can easily swap out the HD for another. That's likely what I'm going to do when I go on a month long trip, carry one Hyperdrive, notebook, and several 500 or 640gig 2.5in HD's.

Bruce S. Yarock · June 3rd, 2010, 01:51 AM

I have a dell laptop that' about 5 years old, but it has firwire also. I never use it, but was thinking that it would be a good option for field back up. The only problem is that the internal drive is small, so I'd have to either replace the drive with something bigger, or also bring alsong an external drive. Then I'd be carrying more gear...Are there any drives that don't need ac power?
Bruce Yarock

Liam Hall · June 3rd, 2010, 09:21 AM

Bruce, the Lacie rugged drives are bus powered, so will work fine with firewire.

So, for non laptop solutions the Nexto and the Hyperdrive seem to be the only contenders. I can see the benefits of both, but would like to compare options with smallest laptop that has firewire.

Anyone, know a good small firewire enabled laptop?

Burk Webb · June 3rd, 2010, 11:55 AM

I'm using a netbook and a couple portable usb powered hard drives. Seems like the biggest bang for the buck, I do like that the netbook will run forever on the battery. Most DITs I see are going the Mac laptop and 2 usb hard drives route as well - great for reviewing footage but it is a bit spendy.

Chuck Spaulding · June 3rd, 2010, 12:43 PM

Will the Netbook play the clips for review?

Or do you use it strictly for backing up files?

What kind of Netbook is it?

Burk Webb · June 3rd, 2010, 12:56 PM

It's a little Toshiba with the big battery, will run about 9 hours. Playback of the raw Canon files is pretty horrible but you can see something :) It's mostly just to confirm the files and execute the back up. Battery life, small size and low cost were my main goals.

Bill Pryor · June 5th, 2010, 09:36 AM

A netbook is fine for field backup if that's all you want to do. I use my ancient iBook to load footage to a portable USB drive. If you want playback then you need a MacBook Pro or something like that. Liam, why are you concerned with firewire for field backup?

May 30th, 2010, 11:22 AM	#1
Liam Hall Major Player Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: London, England Posts: 969	Field Back-up I'm looking for a better and more convenient field back-up solution. Currently I'm using a 17 inch Apple lap-top and copying the CF cards to two Lacie Rugged drives, one travels with me and one my producer. Not only is this an expensive way to back-up in the field, but it is also cumbersome to carry around the extra gear. I was wondering what everyone else is doing and if anyone has a lightweight, mobile and fast back-up solution. __________________ Writer-Director-DOP www.liamhall.net

May 31st, 2010, 09:00 AM	#3
Norman Pogson Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 140	I have this small portable drive that has a battery and charger unit PicPac - NEW 80GB Digital Camera and Camcorder Portable Backup: Wolverine Data Also I have a lot of memory cards, if it is a long trip, then I have to take a set up like yours. I got my Wolverine from Costco online a couple of years ago. __________________ My Stock Video Blog Linkedin

May 31st, 2010, 09:08 AM	#4
Stephen Mick Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 167	Nexto NVS-2500 I've got the Nexto Video Storage Pro, and it's my field-offloading workhorse. Though I haven't used it for this, you can apparently connect a USB drive TO the unit and offload one card to both the Nexto and the USB-connected drive at the same time. (From the NEXTODi site)… • (USB host) function. (With this feature, if a memory card is inserted to a Nexto, the data is copied to the internal built-in hard drive and an external hard drive which is plugged into the Nexto using a USB cable). EDIT: So I just fired up my NEXTO and simultaneously copied 20GB worth of 7D footage to both the internal NEXTO drive and a USB connected Iomega drive I had sitting around. So, for light-weight field backup/offload, this should have you covered.

May 31st, 2010, 11:57 AM	#5
Liam Hall Major Player Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: London, England Posts: 969	I've seen the Nexto, it looks a well featured product and I'd be tempted if it had a solid state drive, but ultimately I think it's overpriced for what it is. What's everyone else doing for field back-up? __________________ Writer-Director-DOP www.liamhall.net

May 31st, 2010, 01:12 PM	#6
Ike Tamigian Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Montreal Canada Posts: 39	A netbook. __________________ Ike

May 30th, 2010, 09:30 PM	#2
Bruce S. Yarock Trustee Join Date: May 2004 Location: Pembroke Pines, Fl. Posts: 1,842	Liam, I've heard about the Nexto http://www.itechdiary.com/nexto-extr...t-computer.htm and the hyperdrive, but don't know anyone with either. Let us know what you find out. Bruce yarock

May 31st, 2010, 01:47 PM	#7
Liam Hall Major Player Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: London, England Posts: 969	I know diddly about netbooks, but wondered if someone would mention them. Is there a netbook with firewire or eSata? __________________ Writer-Director-DOP www.liamhall.net Last edited by Liam Hall; June 1st, 2010 at 01:16 AM.

June 2nd, 2010, 02:23 PM	#8
Ed Cubillan New Boot Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: IL (USA) Posts: 7	Netbooks are basic laptops with low end processors, video, etc. Usually enough to perform the most basic needs. Don't be expecting to edit/process high end videos or play high end games with them. Therefore, you will not be able to find a netbook with an external firewire or esata connection. Usually only USB. There are regular laptops, that do contain firewire and/or esata connections and are as small as a netbook. Netbooks are just cheaper, since they are basic, compared to a regular laptop. __________________ Canon 7D w/grip \| Speedlite 580ex II & 420ex EF 16-35mm f/2.8L \| EF 24-70mm f/2.8L \| EF 85mm f/1.8 \| EF 100mm f/2.8 macro

June 2nd, 2010, 04:00 PM	#9
Kin Lau Major Player Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Ottawa, ON Posts: 385	I use the Hyperdrive Colorspace UDMA, and it works well for downloading in the field. I can download 30gigs in about 10min's. What I like about the Hyperdrive, is that it's designed to be user upgradeable, so you can easily swap out the HD for another. That's likely what I'm going to do when I go on a month long trip, carry one Hyperdrive, notebook, and several 500 or 640gig 2.5in HD's.

June 3rd, 2010, 01:51 AM	#10
Bruce S. Yarock Trustee Join Date: May 2004 Location: Pembroke Pines, Fl. Posts: 1,842	I have a dell laptop that' about 5 years old, but it has firwire also. I never use it, but was thinking that it would be a good option for field back up. The only problem is that the internal drive is small, so I'd have to either replace the drive with something bigger, or also bring alsong an external drive. Then I'd be carrying more gear...Are there any drives that don't need ac power? Bruce Yarock

June 3rd, 2010, 09:21 AM	#11
Liam Hall Major Player Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: London, England Posts: 969	Bruce, the Lacie rugged drives are bus powered, so will work fine with firewire. So, for non laptop solutions the Nexto and the Hyperdrive seem to be the only contenders. I can see the benefits of both, but would like to compare options with smallest laptop that has firewire. Anyone, know a good small firewire enabled laptop? __________________ Writer-Director-DOP www.liamhall.net

June 3rd, 2010, 11:55 AM	#12
Burk Webb Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 249	I'm using a netbook and a couple portable usb powered hard drives. Seems like the biggest bang for the buck, I do like that the netbook will run forever on the battery. Most DITs I see are going the Mac laptop and 2 usb hard drives route as well - great for reviewing footage but it is a bit spendy.

June 3rd, 2010, 12:43 PM	#13
Chuck Spaulding Trustee Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Thousand Oaks Posts: 1,104	Will the Netbook play the clips for review? Or do you use it strictly for backing up files? What kind of Netbook is it?

June 3rd, 2010, 12:56 PM	#14
Burk Webb Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 249	It's a little Toshiba with the big battery, will run about 9 hours. Playback of the raw Canon files is pretty horrible but you can see something :) It's mostly just to confirm the files and execute the back up. Battery life, small size and low cost were my main goals.

June 5th, 2010, 09:36 AM	#15
Bill Pryor Contributor Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 4,449	A netbook is fine for field backup if that's all you want to do. I use my ancient iBook to load footage to a portable USB drive. If you want playback then you need a MacBook Pro or something like that. Liam, why are you concerned with firewire for field backup?