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March 27th, 2010, 05:08 AM
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5D..7D DOF so much talk
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so much talk 5d versus 7 D full frame or 7D 5 D DOF as a must and so much .....talk please keep in mind The Hurt Locker was made with two 16 mm ...where I do come from and still love it and one proprietary highspeed hightech monster cam... With an Arri or Aaton 16 mm quite the same format as to be found in a D7 I've never heard any complaint regarding DOF, the Oscar does proofs the pudding. Productions on 16 mm are a legend and to be fast and portable it still exist..... well a D7 is not an Aaton but please dont tell me to work whith such a lady is more comfortable like a today DSLR. the look OK.......but just carry a full blown Arri or Aaton 16 mm with u ....and post production...there are no flascards...... so DOF oh .... |
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March 27th, 2010, 05:36 AM
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16mm on a 7D...nicely narrowed down to 25.6 mm...and I can't get any further back off this dangerous mountain ledge to get all the waterfall in.
Same scenario with a 16mm matched to a 5D Mark II...WOW...full-wide Buona Vista! :) Full frame has many advantages above and beyond using wide aperture lenses for thin DOF. Just as 1.6X crop cameras have other plus points such as adding perceived length to telephoto lenses and using motion-film lenses, etc. Life is full of advantages, but rarely do we need to bother which camera someone else is using and whether it does equal, better, or worse than the one in our own hands; because the most important thing is that the camera we use performs how we want it to and are satisfied with the end results. |
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March 27th, 2010, 06:23 AM
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March 27th, 2010, 09:54 AM
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March 27th, 2010, 02:13 PM
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Reg, DOF has little to do with it. For the price of a roll of Kodak 7219, a bit of processing and a telecine, you can buy a 7D and a bunch of very nice lenses. I say that as someone who shoots for Kodak...
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March 27th, 2010, 04:44 PM
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16mm still has shallow focus ability relative to the 1/3" HDV cams that a lot of 7d owners used to shoot with. I believe 16mm is comparable to 2/3" sensors.
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March 27th, 2010, 05:18 PM
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16mm = 2/3" Sensor 35mm (film) = 7D 65/70mm (panavision) = 5D II Daniel |
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March 27th, 2010, 05:23 PM
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When shooting Super 16 we always used to reckon around Ł200 per roll for stock, dev and 1 light telecine. You'd need a few to get a 7D and lenses. Steve |
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March 27th, 2010, 06:04 PM
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Jeez! I just realised that I actually thought Reggie was talking about 16mm lenses and not 16mm film stock! I must be getting old, or just finding it difficult to decipher Bordeaux-to-Bangkok pigeon English.
Forgive me, Reg... :) |
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March 27th, 2010, 07:08 PM
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bah this is weekend fun talk
I do love the 7D and the 5D too, maybe a D1 chip full format with big, big pixels and a 7D electronics could be a dream machine, but never shows up marketing tragedy...huuu for gorilla film making and I will never ever sell my Aaton, wooden grips....even the telecine work can be expensive, uhhhhh go on the zacuto page and lok this movie, it is not unbiased, sure, but it shows 35 mm film latitude , no match, rendering of details, yet, the 5 and the 7 are very very damm close. the workflow got very easy, I'm not talking about something like the next photoshop u can get litter away or an unwanted ??? tree even as a dummy. grrrrrr have the reels processed and a look to the result takes time, it is laid back, today it has to be fast, all in a hurry for a tiny low buget crew, to have a tool dammed near to 35mm for a fraction of price and u can carry around that puts for me all discussion to an end. If I attach my DSLR to a ballow like the cambo or silvestri cam, I can have a look no postpro can create. same if I take a pl mount adaptor to have my Angenieux on a DSLR, it is not a high grade 2010 prime, it has charm, it is warm it is like music and hifi a big difference. There are hard tech facts and film is like fashion, illusion, I do belive in this since 25 years. gina sorry for the typos it is late |
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March 28th, 2010, 03:46 AM
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Typos? You type a damn sight better when you're tired, Gina! Even this old fart can understand you now. :)
I still love the old cameras, and a lot of new-breed wonders have their long list of faults, but they get the job done at a fraction of the costs...and it's far better than spending months in the cutting room. |
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