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Manus Sweeney · February 13th, 2010, 01:22 AM

Hi,

so i had on my shopping list for some stage in the near future a Canon 10-22 or a Tokina 11-16mm as they have good reports from most around here.

But..

Its crossed my mind that a wide angle will only be used by me for quite specific shots, only on a tripod so Im wondering isnt there some old manual equivalent i could pick up that could do the same job (even if its fixed length) for a fifth of the price?

Or were old lenses not that wide as they didnt have the crop factor to deal with?

Thanks for any thoughts on this! Im guessing theres a simple answer that says i'll have to invest in one of the above two but no harm in asking!

Manus Sweeney · February 13th, 2010, 01:44 AM

ok.. so far my research has turned up a Nikon 13mm, quite a bargain with 2nd hand prices around 10-20,000$

(maybe ive answered my own question!)

Jean-Philippe Archibald · February 15th, 2010, 02:43 PM

This one might be a good choice: Samyang.pl Samyang 14mm f/2.8 IF ED MC Aspherical

You will be able to find it for about 300-400$ in a few weeks I thnik.

David Chapman · February 15th, 2010, 04:36 PM

The Canon EF-S 17-85mm at B&H is $449. That might not be as wide as you are wanting...

Bill Pryor · February 15th, 2010, 05:05 PM

That Samyang is a fisheye, isn't it? If not, it should be good.

There's a Sigma 20mm, which would give you about the area of a 32mm lens in the full frame world. I think it's an f1.8. That Canon 17-85 only opens up to around a 3.5, doesn't it? Overall the best bang for the buck seems to be the Tokina 11-16. I have a Tokina 16-50 for my wide angle, because that 16mm is wider than my widest angle on my XH A1, and that's been OK for me. The Tokina is a 2.8.

Martin Guitar · February 15th, 2010, 05:30 PM

The Tokina 11-16mm is amazing for the price. Used it a lot for a shoot this weekend and it helped a lot in tight places. No fisheye distortion either, all nice angles

Jean-Philippe Archibald · February 15th, 2010, 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Pryor

That Samyang is a fisheye, isn't it? If not, it should be good.

There's a Sigma 20mm, which would give you about the area of a 32mm lens in the full frame world. I think it's an f1.8. That Canon 17-85 only opens up to around a 3.5, doesn't it? Overall the best bang for the buck seems to be the Tokina 11-16. I have a Tokina 16-50 for my wide angle, because that 16mm is wider than my widest angle on my XH A1, and that's been OK for me. The Tokina is a 2.8.

Bill, the Samyang 14mm is a new lens to be released in march if I am not mistaken. The 8mm is the fisheye. This one is a true wide angle that can also be used on full frame.

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0909/09...amyung14mm.asp

http://www.dpreview.com/news/1002/10...amyang14mm.asp

Paul Cronin · February 15th, 2010, 08:16 PM

Just ordered the Tokina 11-16 and look forward to trying on the 7d for time laps I have planned this week.

Kin Lau · February 15th, 2010, 08:32 PM

Zenitar 16/2.8 fisheye... with the 1.6x crop, the fishiness is mostly gone. Due to the fisheye design, the angle of coverage is more like 10-12mm on a 1.6x crop.

You could go with a Raynox or Century Optics add-on that screws on to the front of your 18-55 or whatever.

Brian Ford · February 15th, 2010, 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Cronin

Just ordered the Tokina 11-16 and look forward to trying on the 7d for time laps I have planned this week.

Did you find a place that has these in stock? I've been looking for one..

Manus Sweeney · February 16th, 2010, 04:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kin Lau

You could go with a Raynox or Century Optics add-on that screws on to the front of your 18-55 or whatever.

sounds interesting.. do these exist for photo lenses though? i can only seem to find them for video cameras?

Manus Sweeney · February 16th, 2010, 04:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jean-Philippe Archibald

Bill, the Samyang 14mm is a new lens to be released in march if I am not mistaken. The 8mm is the fisheye. This one is a true wide angle that can also be used on full frame.

Samyang offers 14mm F/2.8 IF ED MC Aspherical lens: Digital Photography Review

Samyang announces 14mm f/2.8 lens availability: Digital Photography Review

also sounds interesting! i'm actually trying to imagine just how does a 14mm look, compared to 17mm, or with the canon/tokina, just how much will that extra 1mm give (at 10mm?)..

i think a trip to my local camera store is needed..

Kin Lau · February 16th, 2010, 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manus Sweeney

sounds interesting.. do these exist for photo lenses though? i can only seem to find them for video cameras?

There are models for digicams, but mostly, they're for video. Check the Raynox site.

Manus Sweeney · February 17th, 2010, 03:00 AM

thanks.. i can only find these though Raynox conversion lenses for Digital SLR camera i dont think theyre wide angle converters are they?

edit: found this page http://raynox.co.jp/english/video/eg...tm#hd6600pro49 they look really interesting, the price seems good (by googling model numbers) but i cant find anything with a filter size that im looking for.. the website is pretty hard to get around!

has anybody used wide angle converters with DSLR lenses? pros/cons/thoughts?

Kin Lau · February 17th, 2010, 09:14 AM

The HD-6600PRO58 is probably what you're looking for if you're using the kit 18-55.

You will get what you pay for. The 18-55 isn't bad, but not stellar, now you're adding on several layers of glass. Chromatic aberations and fringing will be a problem in some shots.

So there will be 2 factors in the equation, the lens on the camera, and then the add-on.

February 13th, 2010, 01:22 AM	#1
Manus Sweeney Major Player Join Date: May 2009 Location: Amsterdam, NL Posts: 217	cheap wide angle?? Hi, so i had on my shopping list for some stage in the near future a Canon 10-22 or a Tokina 11-16mm as they have good reports from most around here. But.. Its crossed my mind that a wide angle will only be used by me for quite specific shots, only on a tripod so Im wondering isnt there some old manual equivalent i could pick up that could do the same job (even if its fixed length) for a fifth of the price? Or were old lenses not that wide as they didnt have the crop factor to deal with? Thanks for any thoughts on this! Im guessing theres a simple answer that says i'll have to invest in one of the above two but no harm in asking!

February 15th, 2010, 02:43 PM	#3
Jean-Philippe Archibald Trustee Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Saguenay, Québec, Canada Posts: 1,051	This one might be a good choice: Samyang.pl Samyang 14mm f/2.8 IF ED MC Aspherical You will be able to find it for about 300-400$ in a few weeks I thnik. __________________ Jean-Philippe Archibald http://www.jparchibald.com - http://www.vimeo.com/jparchib

February 15th, 2010, 04:36 PM	#4
David Chapman Major Player Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 346	The Canon EF-S 17-85mm at B&H is $449. That might not be as wide as you are wanting... __________________ David Chapman www.davechapfilms.com

February 15th, 2010, 08:16 PM	#8
Paul Cronin Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Rhode Island Posts: 4,048	Just ordered the Tokina 11-16 and look forward to trying on the 7d for time laps I have planned this week. __________________ Paul Cronin www.paulcroninstudios.com

February 13th, 2010, 01:44 AM	#2
Manus Sweeney Major Player Join Date: May 2009 Location: Amsterdam, NL Posts: 217	ok.. so far my research has turned up a Nikon 13mm, quite a bargain with 2nd hand prices around 10-20,000$ (maybe ive answered my own question!)

February 15th, 2010, 05:05 PM	#5
Bill Pryor Contributor Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 4,449	That Samyang is a fisheye, isn't it? If not, it should be good. There's a Sigma 20mm, which would give you about the area of a 32mm lens in the full frame world. I think it's an f1.8. That Canon 17-85 only opens up to around a 3.5, doesn't it? Overall the best bang for the buck seems to be the Tokina 11-16. I have a Tokina 16-50 for my wide angle, because that 16mm is wider than my widest angle on my XH A1, and that's been OK for me. The Tokina is a 2.8.

February 15th, 2010, 05:30 PM	#6
Martin Guitar Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 115	The Tokina 11-16mm is amazing for the price. Used it a lot for a shoot this weekend and it helped a lot in tight places. No fisheye distortion either, all nice angles

February 15th, 2010, 08:32 PM	#9
Kin Lau Major Player Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Ottawa, ON Posts: 385	Zenitar 16/2.8 fisheye... with the 1.6x crop, the fishiness is mostly gone. Due to the fisheye design, the angle of coverage is more like 10-12mm on a 1.6x crop. You could go with a Raynox or Century Optics add-on that screws on to the front of your 18-55 or whatever.

February 17th, 2010, 03:00 AM	#14
Manus Sweeney Major Player Join Date: May 2009 Location: Amsterdam, NL Posts: 217	thanks.. i can only find these though Raynox conversion lenses for Digital SLR camera i dont think theyre wide angle converters are they? edit: found this page http://raynox.co.jp/english/video/eg...tm#hd6600pro49 they look really interesting, the price seems good (by googling model numbers) but i cant find anything with a filter size that im looking for.. the website is pretty hard to get around! has anybody used wide angle converters with DSLR lenses? pros/cons/thoughts?

February 17th, 2010, 09:14 AM	#15
Kin Lau Major Player Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Ottawa, ON Posts: 385	The HD-6600PRO58 is probably what you're looking for if you're using the kit 18-55. You will get what you pay for. The 18-55 isn't bad, but not stellar, now you're adding on several layers of glass. Chromatic aberations and fringing will be a problem in some shots. So there will be 2 factors in the equation, the lens on the camera, and then the add-on.