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Morten Engelien · December 16th, 2009, 08:03 AM

Hi! I need some help from you guys..
I bought the 7D to film snowboarding,- most followcam and stand beside bigjumps.
What can you recommend me? A wide angel-which one? Or maby a Sigma 30mm 1.4 ??

The price : 600$ or less. +- I want the lens to be as cheap as possible, but I stil need quality :)
Just write down whatever you think is best! :)

Bob Hart · December 16th, 2009, 08:14 AM

Morten.

Most fast wides will be more costly. Sigma did a f2.8 14mm which is quite good but a bit soft wide-open which with bright snow you are unlikely to use. As this lens is no longer made, they may now be cheaper on eBay.

As an action lens, any 14mm f2.8 can be easily damaged. The front element is almost hemispherical and protrudes out. This lens is rectilinear.

If you are doing pursuit on skis, the Peleng 8mm f3.5 fisheye might be affordable. It should cover the DSLR frame, maybe with slightly cropped corners but will vignette on a full sized 35mm stills frame. The iris on this lens is a bit confusing. There are two iris control ring. One limits the iris open position, the other actuates the iris.

You may need to shim the adaptor mount to get correct backfocus (collimation).

This lens is a fisheye so there is a distinct barrel distortion. The front element also protrudes and is easily damaged. When being shipped, the caps should be gaffer taped to the barrel because they are metal and if they come off, may rub against the front element and scratch it.

Morten Engelien · December 16th, 2009, 08:28 AM

Thank you for a answer :)
I actually have the Peleng 8mm f3.5 fisheye. But it's way to extreme of an fisheye! And the quality is not good. It's a cool toy, but since I bought the 7D, I want something in better quality :) I've heard the Sigma 10-20mm f3.5 is good too ?

Charles Dasher · December 16th, 2009, 08:43 AM

I using the Tokina 11-17 f2.8 for shooting various action sports. In the past I used the Century fisheye(death lens)on various video cameras. It is really nice, with the Tokina to have something fairly wide without so much distortion. This lens was also endorsed from one of the most popular surf housing manufactures as well.

Morten Engelien · December 16th, 2009, 09:36 AM

Charles Dasher:
The Tokina 11-16mm F2.8 looks Great!!
But I can't find it on ebay or any other.. just the TOKINA 12-24 F/4 . But it's mostly the same ?
I think this is the one for me...!

Morten Engelien · December 16th, 2009, 10:20 AM

edit:sorry
The Tokina 11-16mm F2.8 looks Great!!
TOKINA 12-24 F/4 is cheaper, but f/4 is not that good.. I will buy the 11-16mm! Thank you:)

Barry Green · December 16th, 2009, 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Hart

If you are doing pursuit on skis, the Peleng 8mm f3.5 fisheye might be affordable. It should cover the DSLR frame, maybe with slightly cropped corners but will vignette on a full sized 35mm stills frame.

The Peleng doesn't quite cover the 7D frame. It's close, but there's some corner vignetting.

Daniel Weber · December 17th, 2009, 03:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Morten Engelien

edit:sorry
The Tokina 11-16mm F2.8 looks Great!!
TOKINA 12-24 F/4 is cheaper, but f/4 is not that good.. I will buy the 11-16mm! Thank you:)

The Canon 10-22mm lens is nice as well. i wouldn't worry about the lens not being f2.8 because you will be shooting in such a bright environment.

You will need a Fader ND filter and I would worry about vignetting with any ND filters that you use. I would do some test first.

Daniel Weber

Morten Engelien · December 17th, 2009, 09:38 AM

Why do I need a Fader ND filter ? :)
I went to my local photostore and tried the Tokina 11-16 f2.8. Looks Great! I'm sure it will do good on night sessions too.. because of the 2.8 :) Can't wait!

Daniel Weber · December 17th, 2009, 10:03 AM

Because you will want to keep from shooting with the lens stopped all the way down. I would think that you wouldn't want to shoot stopped down more than f5.6 or so.

It is really needed to shoot any outdoor footage with either the 7D or the 5D.

Remember your don't want to have your shutter faster than 125th of a second.

Daniel Weber

Louis Maddalena · December 17th, 2009, 11:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barry Green

The Peleng doesn't quite cover the 7D frame. It's close, but there's some corner vignetting.

Do you have any samples of what this looks like?

Barry Green · December 18th, 2009, 11:13 AM

http://dvxuser.com/barry/Peleng-CamBelles.jpg

That chart was 3" away from the lens. 3". It's an 8x12 image, and that's how wide the 8mm Peleng gets. Furthermore, the room is 14' wide, and the camera was 20" away from the wall. So it's seeing maybe 16 feet wide from a distance of 20"! It's amazingly widely huge.

But, you can just see the vignetting in the corners. The 16:9 frame cuts off a little of the vignetting (it looks worse in the full frame stills) but it's still got some. If the lens was maybe 8.5mm instead of 8mm there would have been no vignetting at all... sigh.

Jon Fairhurst · December 18th, 2009, 12:04 PM

I wonder if the Peling would work with a short extension tube? Would it still be able to focus? At least that would take care of the corners.

There's also the trusty Zenitar. It works on the 5D, but wouldn't be extreme enough on the 7D.

You can see it on the 5D here at 0:48 and 2:14. The normal wide is a 28mm:

December 16th, 2009, 08:03 AM	#1
Morten Engelien Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Norway Posts: 28	7D and snowboard! Select a lens, please :) Hi! I need some help from you guys.. I bought the 7D to film snowboarding,- most followcam and stand beside bigjumps. What can you recommend me? A wide angel-which one? Or maby a Sigma 30mm 1.4 ?? The price : 600$ or less. +- I want the lens to be as cheap as possible, but I stil need quality :) Just write down whatever you think is best! :)

December 16th, 2009, 08:14 AM	#2
Bob Hart Inner Circle Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PERTH. W.A. AUSTRALIA. Posts: 4,477	Morten. Most fast wides will be more costly. Sigma did a f2.8 14mm which is quite good but a bit soft wide-open which with bright snow you are unlikely to use. As this lens is no longer made, they may now be cheaper on eBay. As an action lens, any 14mm f2.8 can be easily damaged. The front element is almost hemispherical and protrudes out. This lens is rectilinear. If you are doing pursuit on skis, the Peleng 8mm f3.5 fisheye might be affordable. It should cover the DSLR frame, maybe with slightly cropped corners but will vignette on a full sized 35mm stills frame. The iris on this lens is a bit confusing. There are two iris control ring. One limits the iris open position, the other actuates the iris. You may need to shim the adaptor mount to get correct backfocus (collimation). This lens is a fisheye so there is a distinct barrel distortion. The front element also protrudes and is easily damaged. When being shipped, the caps should be gaffer taped to the barrel because they are metal and if they come off, may rub against the front element and scratch it. Last edited by Bob Hart; December 16th, 2009 at 08:15 AM. Reason: error

December 18th, 2009, 12:04 PM	#13
Jon Fairhurst Inner Circle Join Date: May 2006 Location: Camas, WA, USA Posts: 5,513	I wonder if the Peling would work with a short extension tube? Would it still be able to focus? At least that would take care of the corners. There's also the trusty Zenitar. It works on the 5D, but wouldn't be extreme enough on the 7D. You can see it on the 5D here at 0:48 and 2:14. The normal wide is a 28mm: 1. Canon 5D Mark II Audio Exposed - Boom Mic (juicedLink, Zoom H4n, Microtrack II, BeachTek) on Vimeo __________________ Jon Fairhurst

December 16th, 2009, 08:28 AM	#3
Morten Engelien Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Norway Posts: 28	Thank you for a answer :) I actually have the Peleng 8mm f3.5 fisheye. But it's way to extreme of an fisheye! And the quality is not good. It's a cool toy, but since I bought the 7D, I want something in better quality :) I've heard the Sigma 10-20mm f3.5 is good too ?

December 16th, 2009, 08:43 AM	#4
Charles Dasher Regular Crew Join Date: May 2006 Location: Juno Beach FL Posts: 169	I using the Tokina 11-17 f2.8 for shooting various action sports. In the past I used the Century fisheye(death lens)on various video cameras. It is really nice, with the Tokina to have something fairly wide without so much distortion. This lens was also endorsed from one of the most popular surf housing manufactures as well.

December 16th, 2009, 09:36 AM	#5
Morten Engelien Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Norway Posts: 28	Charles Dasher: The Tokina 11-16mm F2.8 looks Great!! But I can't find it on ebay or any other.. just the TOKINA 12-24 F/4 . But it's mostly the same ? I think this is the one for me...!

December 16th, 2009, 10:20 AM	#6
Morten Engelien Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Norway Posts: 28	edit:sorry The Tokina 11-16mm F2.8 looks Great!! TOKINA 12-24 F/4 is cheaper, but f/4 is not that good.. I will buy the 11-16mm! Thank you:)

December 17th, 2009, 09:38 AM	#9
Morten Engelien Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Norway Posts: 28	Why do I need a Fader ND filter ? :) I went to my local photostore and tried the Tokina 11-16 f2.8. Looks Great! I'm sure it will do good on night sessions too.. because of the 2.8 :) Can't wait!

December 17th, 2009, 10:03 AM	#10
Daniel Weber Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Maryland, USA Posts: 696	Because you will want to keep from shooting with the lens stopped all the way down. I would think that you wouldn't want to shoot stopped down more than f5.6 or so. It is really needed to shoot any outdoor footage with either the 7D or the 5D. Remember your don't want to have your shutter faster than 125th of a second. Daniel Weber

December 18th, 2009, 11:13 AM	#12
Barry Green Barry Wan Kenobi Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 3,863	http://dvxuser.com/barry/Peleng-CamBelles.jpg That chart was 3" away from the lens. 3". It's an 8x12 image, and that's how wide the 8mm Peleng gets. Furthermore, the room is 14' wide, and the camera was 20" away from the wall. So it's seeing maybe 16 feet wide from a distance of 20"! It's amazingly widely huge. But, you can just see the vignetting in the corners. The 16:9 frame cuts off a little of the vignetting (it looks worse in the full frame stills) but it's still got some. If the lens was maybe 8.5mm instead of 8mm there would have been no vignetting at all... sigh.