Why would I chose the 7d over the 5d2?

Josh Dahlberg · November 26th, 2009, 11:46 PM

Sold my 5DII for a 7D due to 25p.

Will switch back as soon as the 5DII gets 25p - I much prefer my prime lenses on a FF body.

Charles Papert · November 27th, 2009, 12:40 AM

Guess this thread will have to be modified when the 1DMKIV comes out shortly...!

Michael Maier · November 27th, 2009, 03:13 PM

Has anybody done scientific tests regarding the video image quality and sharpness of the 5D vs the 7D? I'm not talking about light sensitivity and noise. I'm talking about sharpness and general quality. I have seen some tests on vimeo but they are all subjective. Have you Charles?

About the 1DMKIV, since it costs almost the double of a 5D and almost 3 times a 7D and has the weird 1.3x crop I don't think it will be as popular as the 5D and 7D. It seems the only advantage is low light but the 5D is already pretty good at that.

Chris Hurd · November 27th, 2009, 04:24 PM

There's nothing weird about the 1.3x crop factor of APS-H sensors; they've been around for a decade at least.

Michael Maier · November 27th, 2009, 05:10 PM

Sure Chris. What I meant is the 5D is full frame and we have full frame lenses out there and the 7D is basically the same size a 35mm movie film so you can use cine lenses with it and there are EF-S 1.6x crop lenses available too. Now the 1D is in between and although the full frame lenses will work on it there are no 1.3x lenses, the cinema lenses will most likely not cover it and the EF-S lenses for sure won't. This is what I meant. So when you consider all that and the fact that the 1D costs a lot more and the only advantage seems to be the low light, I think it will not be as popular as the 5D or the 7D for video acquisition.

Jim Froom · November 29th, 2009, 04:18 PM

I have both a 5D Mk II and the 7D. My goto is the 5D. I like the full sensor and especially the low light. I can't see going to the new 1D, except for I may like the low light.

That all being said, after looking at my family video shot this weekend for turkeyday and a dual family birthday, lots of my video sucks cause of all the flash bulbs going off.

I'm probably going to take my HV20 along next time as there is no work around to the flashes going out when your shooting video with these cameras.

I like the imagery and lens choices when it's right on the 5D, but so many times, the gotchas ruin the shooting. When I get down I just look at the photo's from the 5D which are outstanding, almost always. Choices, you get some good stuff and you lose some.

Jon Fairhurst · November 29th, 2009, 06:14 PM

One nice thing about the low noise of the 1D is that it will allow the most control over the DOF. Want shallow? Add an ND, shoot wide open, and avoid the soft corners of FF lenses. Want deep focus? Crank it up to 6400 ISO and shrink that aperture.

If the aliasing and skew are reduced, the 1D would have it all - aside from RAW, super slo-mo, and the Magic Lantern features.

November 27th, 2009, 12:40 AM	#17
Charles Papert Wrangler Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 6,810	Guess this thread will have to be modified when the 1DMKIV comes out shortly...! __________________ Charles Papert www.charlespapert.com

November 27th, 2009, 04:24 PM	#19
Chris Hurd Obstreperous Rex Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: San Marcos, TX Posts: 27,368 Images: 513	There's nothing weird about the 1.3x crop factor of APS-H sensors; they've been around for a decade at least. __________________ CH Search DV Info Net \| 20 years of DVi \| ...Tuesday is Soylent Green Day!

November 29th, 2009, 06:14 PM	#22
Jon Fairhurst Inner Circle Join Date: May 2006 Location: Camas, WA, USA Posts: 5,513	One nice thing about the low noise of the 1D is that it will allow the most control over the DOF. Want shallow? Add an ND, shoot wide open, and avoid the soft corners of FF lenses. Want deep focus? Crank it up to 6400 ISO and shrink that aperture. If the aliasing and skew are reduced, the 1D would have it all - aside from RAW, super slo-mo, and the Magic Lantern features. __________________ Jon Fairhurst

November 26th, 2009, 11:46 PM	#16
Josh Dahlberg Major Player Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Wellington, New Zealand Posts: 513	Sold my 5DII for a 7D due to 25p. Will switch back as soon as the 5DII gets 25p - I much prefer my prime lenses on a FF body.

November 27th, 2009, 03:13 PM	#18
Michael Maier Trustee Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,269	Has anybody done scientific tests regarding the video image quality and sharpness of the 5D vs the 7D? I'm not talking about light sensitivity and noise. I'm talking about sharpness and general quality. I have seen some tests on vimeo but they are all subjective. Have you Charles? About the 1DMKIV, since it costs almost the double of a 5D and almost 3 times a 7D and has the weird 1.3x crop I don't think it will be as popular as the 5D and 7D. It seems the only advantage is low light but the 5D is already pretty good at that.

November 27th, 2009, 05:10 PM	#20
Michael Maier Trustee Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,269	Sure Chris. What I meant is the 5D is full frame and we have full frame lenses out there and the 7D is basically the same size a 35mm movie film so you can use cine lenses with it and there are EF-S 1.6x crop lenses available too. Now the 1D is in between and although the full frame lenses will work on it there are no 1.3x lenses, the cinema lenses will most likely not cover it and the EF-S lenses for sure won't. This is what I meant. So when you consider all that and the fact that the 1D costs a lot more and the only advantage seems to be the low light, I think it will not be as popular as the 5D or the 7D for video acquisition.

November 29th, 2009, 04:18 PM	#21
Jim Froom Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Rochester, NY usa Posts: 75	I have both a 5D Mk II and the 7D. My goto is the 5D. I like the full sensor and especially the low light. I can't see going to the new 1D, except for I may like the low light. That all being said, after looking at my family video shot this weekend for turkeyday and a dual family birthday, lots of my video sucks cause of all the flash bulbs going off. I'm probably going to take my HV20 along next time as there is no work around to the flashes going out when your shooting video with these cameras. I like the imagery and lens choices when it's right on the 5D, but so many times, the gotchas ruin the shooting. When I get down I just look at the photo's from the 5D which are outstanding, almost always. Choices, you get some good stuff and you lose some.