Weddings vs. Steadicam vs. 7D/5DMk2 at DVinfo.net

Pat Munoz · November 24th, 2009, 09:09 PM

So... I got to try the HD-2000 w/ my 7D briefly today. Just the 7D w/ a 18-200mm lens.

Without the vest for somebody weak like me who's not used to it, you'll probably get about 2-3 minutes of decent usage (tops) before you'll need to take a break to recharge the arm.

This along with the fact that AF doesn't work while recording on the 7D leaves me wondering if this is the way to go to shoot weddings.

I had some good discussion with a wedding videographer today who has the vest/arm to support the weight of the camera. I did not get a chance to try this out myself but I have my doubts that a large aparatus like this is going to get you into those tight nooks and spots to get those creative shots.

He says that the only way to cover a wedding is with the rig because you can walk and move about with it.

You can't really explore DOF with the camera on an HD-2000 so quality rack focus shots are going to be tough to acquire.

I think that if you have 2 7D cameras then one could be on the glidecam with a good wide lens and the other on a shoulder mount kit/tripod.

BUT... if you're going solo, then I'm leaning towards shoulder mount/tripod shots (no steadicam/glidecam). The videographer seems to be comfortable with his HD-2000, but I just don't think the 7D (with it's lack of AF), is going to give him many options.

I'd love to know your thoughts, particularly from those who cover events. If you had to cover a wedding event solo... is the steadicam/glidecam and the 7D a good combo? Or does it make more sense to go handheld/shouldermount/tripod?

If you had 2 chose between one or the other, what makes more sense for weddings?

Kelly Langerak · February 16th, 2010, 03:04 PM

bump

I have the same question.

Raymond Tsang · February 16th, 2010, 04:57 PM

Hey Pat - I hope I can help you answer some of your questions. As these are just my opinions, I'd be happy to hear some feedback as well.

If you plan to shoot solo, I would definitely not bring along a steadicam/glidecam. Although you will lose some creative shots from that tool, your hands are free to take advantage of other equipment:

Tripod
Shoulder-rig
Slider
Follow-focus
Monopod
AUDIO
Ect...

Even with 2-3 person coverage, I would only strap on the steadicam for very specific shots and rip it off the first chance I get. The time it takes to transport, balance and strap on the steadicam is just not worth it sometimes. A lot of it has to do with planning and logistics, but you can probably figure out where I'm getting at.

You will love shooting with the 7D. This film has been passed around a few times already, but it's one of my favorites because 1) it's single shooter coverage, and 2) no steadicam :)

good luck,
ray

Bill Pryor · February 16th, 2010, 08:04 PM

I don't shoot weddings, but have done a couple in the past for friends. I did the ceremony on tripod and some other shots too, but lots of hand held stuff as well. This was pre-7D and I had a shoulder mount camera. I could do the same thing with the 7D using the Cavision rig I have. It has a shoulder mount, handles, plus a side handle grip I added. My tripod quick release plate mounts to the bottom of the Cavision, and the camera mounts to the Cavision with another quick release. So, if I want shoulder mount all I have to do is release the tripod plate and I have the whole rig ready. If all I want is the camera, I can release it by the top plate and leave the rig on the tripod. You can do this with any rods support system. I also have a Steadicam with arm/vest, and there's no way I'd use it for weddings if I did weddings. It's not something you can take off and put back on quickly.

Kelly Langerak · February 16th, 2010, 08:19 PM

I do weddings and think that having to strap it all on and balance would be a pain. My way around this is to just use the Glidecam 2000, Blackbird (if you can find one) or the Merlin. Add a quick release plate to the camera. Get your establishing shots, b-roll before ceremony and then hop on the tripod. I find plenty of downtime and hope that it will be enough to jump back on the Glidecam for the first dance.

November 24th, 2009, 09:09 PM	#1
Pat Munoz Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Posts: 25	Weddings vs. Steadicam vs. 7D/5DMk2 So... I got to try the HD-2000 w/ my 7D briefly today. Just the 7D w/ a 18-200mm lens. Without the vest for somebody weak like me who's not used to it, you'll probably get about 2-3 minutes of decent usage (tops) before you'll need to take a break to recharge the arm. This along with the fact that AF doesn't work while recording on the 7D leaves me wondering if this is the way to go to shoot weddings. I had some good discussion with a wedding videographer today who has the vest/arm to support the weight of the camera. I did not get a chance to try this out myself but I have my doubts that a large aparatus like this is going to get you into those tight nooks and spots to get those creative shots. He says that the only way to cover a wedding is with the rig because you can walk and move about with it. You can't really explore DOF with the camera on an HD-2000 so quality rack focus shots are going to be tough to acquire. I think that if you have 2 7D cameras then one could be on the glidecam with a good wide lens and the other on a shoulder mount kit/tripod. BUT... if you're going solo, then I'm leaning towards shoulder mount/tripod shots (no steadicam/glidecam). The videographer seems to be comfortable with his HD-2000, but I just don't think the 7D (with it's lack of AF), is going to give him many options. I'd love to know your thoughts, particularly from those who cover events. If you had to cover a wedding event solo... is the steadicam/glidecam and the 7D a good combo? Or does it make more sense to go handheld/shouldermount/tripod? If you had 2 chose between one or the other, what makes more sense for weddings?

February 16th, 2010, 04:57 PM	#3
Raymond Tsang Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: san francisco, ca Posts: 90	Hey Pat - I hope I can help you answer some of your questions. As these are just my opinions, I'd be happy to hear some feedback as well. If you plan to shoot solo, I would definitely not bring along a steadicam/glidecam. Although you will lose some creative shots from that tool, your hands are free to take advantage of other equipment: Tripod Shoulder-rig Slider Follow-focus Monopod AUDIO Ect... Even with 2-3 person coverage, I would only strap on the steadicam for very specific shots and rip it off the first chance I get. The time it takes to transport, balance and strap on the steadicam is just not worth it sometimes. A lot of it has to do with planning and logistics, but you can probably figure out where I'm getting at. You will love shooting with the 7D. This film has been passed around a few times already, but it's one of my favorites because 1) it's single shooter coverage, and 2) no steadicam :) jc plus esther // all 7d highlights on Vimeo good luck, ray

February 16th, 2010, 03:04 PM	#2
Kelly Langerak Major Player Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Bay Area Posts: 522	bump I have the same question.

February 16th, 2010, 08:04 PM	#4
Bill Pryor Contributor Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 4,449	I don't shoot weddings, but have done a couple in the past for friends. I did the ceremony on tripod and some other shots too, but lots of hand held stuff as well. This was pre-7D and I had a shoulder mount camera. I could do the same thing with the 7D using the Cavision rig I have. It has a shoulder mount, handles, plus a side handle grip I added. My tripod quick release plate mounts to the bottom of the Cavision, and the camera mounts to the Cavision with another quick release. So, if I want shoulder mount all I have to do is release the tripod plate and I have the whole rig ready. If all I want is the camera, I can release it by the top plate and leave the rig on the tripod. You can do this with any rods support system. I also have a Steadicam with arm/vest, and there's no way I'd use it for weddings if I did weddings. It's not something you can take off and put back on quickly.

February 16th, 2010, 08:19 PM	#5
Kelly Langerak Major Player Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Bay Area Posts: 522	I do weddings and think that having to strap it all on and balance would be a pain. My way around this is to just use the Glidecam 2000, Blackbird (if you can find one) or the Merlin. Add a quick release plate to the camera. Get your establishing shots, b-roll before ceremony and then hop on the tripod. I find plenty of downtime and hope that it will be enough to jump back on the Glidecam for the first dance.