Monitor preference for 7D (or 5D...) at DVinfo.net

David Chapman · November 1st, 2009, 02:22 AM

I've been looking into monitors now and I am ready to make the purchase. Some people on here are using Marshall (like Philip Bloom) and some are saying Ikan. Is there a major difference or are they pretty much the same? I understand the biggest point will be the battery powered monitors vs the AC adapters.

Ikan's new 5.6 high res display looks cool with the deluxe kid under $800 at B&H.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...D_Monitor.html

Jerry Porter · November 1st, 2009, 07:59 AM

I have the Ikan 8 inch HDMI monitor and it seems pretty overpriced for what I got. It is very light (which is good), but it feels VERY fragile. When the 7D outputs in live view it sends out a much smaller picture than when playing back back recorded material. So a 5 inch monitor is not gaining much over what the on-board monitor is giving you. I had a Marsahall SD monitor and it had a great picture and felt very rugged, but was pretty heavy. I know this is not much help, but just some of my observations.

David Chapman · November 1st, 2009, 09:22 AM

I have seen reviews of the 8" where people said it felt "cheap." I know the 5.6 is newer, but it is 1024x600 res.

I see some other people excited about the Marshall V-LCD70P-HDA 7" and it looks like it has the focus assist (outlining of what's in focus) which would help:
Marshall | V-LCD70P-HDA 7" LCD Field Monitor | V-LCD70P-HDA

I realize that the 7D only outputs a 4:3 image so YES the sides would be empty on a widescreen monitor. Do you think going SD for the monitor would be better? It seems I would need to go out composite, unless there is some Mini-HDMI to Component breakout cable. Isn't that what you would need for the Marshall above anyways?

David Chapman · November 1st, 2009, 09:34 AM

There's also the SmallHD 9" monitor.
9" Small LCD Monitor, On Camera Field Monitor - the DP1 by SmallHD

David Chapman · November 1st, 2009, 09:53 AM

Wow. I think I'm pretty excited about the smallHD DPI monitor. It's larger than the Ikan and Marshall to make up for the 4:3 image being displayed by the 7D and it seems like it will work anywhere.

Does anyone use this with their 7D now? edit
Looks like Trammell Hudson is using the DPI for his ML testing. I don't know how I missed that before. I feel like I did when I discovered DVInfo for the first time. ;-)

Jerry Porter · November 1st, 2009, 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Chapman

There's also the SmallHD 9" monitor.
9" Small LCD Monitor, On Camera Field Monitor - the DP1 by SmallHD

Man, I wish I had seen that before I spent the money on the Ikan........

Alex Reid · November 10th, 2009, 11:09 AM

Just to let everyone know,

If you press the INFO button whilst in Liveview, the HDMI output (to an on-board monitor) cycles between 4:3 view, 4:3 with additional info/waveform and finally clean 16:9 output, so you can monitor and record with full 16:9 image on an on - board monitor.

Andy Wilkinson · November 10th, 2009, 11:27 AM

Great info Alex! Thanks, and welcome!

Christopher Lovenguth · November 10th, 2009, 12:00 PM

Yeah I notice this cycle a few weeks ago with my Marshall V-LCD70P-HDMI.

Also if you're using ML with cropmarks and this monitor, if you do this cycle and then go to 1:1 pixel on the Marshall when you're recording (doesn't work until camera goes in to 480p) the crop marks become correct on the screen (I'm using 1:2.35 marks). Although I feel the actual image while viewing is very slightly skewed somehow in this mode, I think it's all pretty close to final outcome.

I'm loving this monitor!!!

Jim Jolliffe · November 10th, 2009, 04:53 PM

Alex,

Alright you big gayer. How you finding your 7Ds? Gave mine a little run out in Morocco over the weekend. Did you buy a monitor? If so, which one? Still haven't tried my TV Logic yet. Have you got a HDMI to DVI cable? If so, can I borrow it to try out my monitor.
I'm not working the rest of this week, fancy meeting up? I'm off to Malta on a job mid next week, so anytime before that is good.

Jim

p.s. I found that the new Quicktime 10 (Apple Snow Leopard OS) can't handle the footage, but if I use the old Quicktime 7 it plays fine. Might just be my old MacBook.

Jim Jolliffe · November 10th, 2009, 05:22 PM

Regarding this thread, I already had a 7 inch TV Logic LVM-071W monitor.

TV Logic 7" Multi-format LCD Monitor LVM-071W

It's a fantastic monitor that is HD and SD, has a waveform monitor, can take v-lock batteries on the back, and has focus peaking.

I haven't had a chance to test it yet with the 7D as I don't have the correct cable (see previous post).

Will let you know when I do.

Jim

Matthew Roddy · November 11th, 2009, 02:50 PM

I've seen the TV Logic at DV Expo earlier this year. Fantastic image. Best I'd seen, including the Marshall (which is no slouch). And the viewing angle was highly usable.
If you have the budget, I suppose it's great.

For me, though, I'll be buying the SmallHD. VERY good at a much more reasonable price.

Benjamin Eckstein · November 11th, 2009, 03:41 PM

Sort of off-topic, but trying to figure something out I thought I heard (and hoping I am wrong). When you plug the HDMI into a monitor does it shut off the LCD on the 7D? I am hoping this is not the case so I can use the LCD while a director watches a monitor, but I fear that I heard that somewhere. I ordered an HDMI cable but I don't have it yet to try.

Thanks,
Benjamin

Jerry Porter · November 11th, 2009, 04:16 PM

Yes plugging in the cable does shut off the onboard monitor on the camera.

Alex Reid · November 19th, 2009, 01:33 PM

Alright Jim, thanks for the 7D rental recommendation in other forum. Have'nt really had chance to play around with 7d's too much (apart from shooting viral for Moro restaurant in Exmouth Market with Rob Barlow and all L series primes) because Ray has had them working with Hungry Man Productions and Drogba in Ivory Coast (Overheating problems!!- They are definately due to the Z finders capturing and doubling the heat released from LCD screen). Sadly, already, lots of disgruntled 5D MkII owners are spreading vicious rumours about excessive noise and poor picture quality on 7D compared to 5d Mk II sensor, I'm not convinced at all (we own two 7D's and one 5D Mk II). With regards to on-board monitor, after much exhaustive research, and actually rigging a selection of monitors to the camera (never on the hot-shoe of the camera! - risk tearing whole top of camera off! - Either on the hot shoe off-set of an 'L' bracket screw-in flash holder- $13 B&H- then Manfrotto 482 LCD Micro Ball Head to Hot Shoe adaptor or Feral Equipment's brilliant solution of Manfrotto 143BKT Camera Platform for Magic Arm- coming out of tripod screw thread in bottom of camera, then again Manfrotto 482 LCD), decided on the Ikan V5600. We were happy to spend the money on the Marshall (even the 651 ST HDMI, which by the way is not noticeably different in image quality from their much cheaper 70P), but thought it too heavy and cumbersome for hand held. It weighs 1.3 lbs compared to the Ikan's 0.7 lbs, that was the deciding factor for me, even though we're foregoing the very handy focus peaking and false - colour exposure meters (false colour not working entirely on the Canon's - does'nt go from yellow into red for over-exposed highlights). You still have easily the best monitor around (the TV Logic), but realistically, due to size and weight, this can only be used when camera is on sticks or as an off - board monitor on a stand.

November 1st, 2009, 02:22 AM	#1
David Chapman Major Player Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 346	Monitor preference for 7D (or 5D...) I've been looking into monitors now and I am ready to make the purchase. Some people on here are using Marshall (like Philip Bloom) and some are saying Ikan. Is there a major difference or are they pretty much the same? I understand the biggest point will be the battery powered monitors vs the AC adapters. Ikan's new 5.6 high res display looks cool with the deluxe kid under $800 at B&H. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...D_Monitor.html __________________ David Chapman www.davechapfilms.com Last edited by David Chapman; November 1st, 2009 at 09:23 AM.

November 1st, 2009, 09:22 AM	#3
David Chapman Major Player Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 346	I have seen reviews of the 8" where people said it felt "cheap." I know the 5.6 is newer, but it is 1024x600 res. I see some other people excited about the Marshall V-LCD70P-HDA 7" and it looks like it has the focus assist (outlining of what's in focus) which would help: Marshall \| V-LCD70P-HDA 7" LCD Field Monitor \| V-LCD70P-HDA I realize that the 7D only outputs a 4:3 image so YES the sides would be empty on a widescreen monitor. Do you think going SD for the monitor would be better? It seems I would need to go out composite, unless there is some Mini-HDMI to Component breakout cable. Isn't that what you would need for the Marshall above anyways? __________________ David Chapman www.davechapfilms.com

November 1st, 2009, 09:34 AM	#4
David Chapman Major Player Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 346	There's also the SmallHD 9" monitor. 9" Small LCD Monitor, On Camera Field Monitor - the DP1 by SmallHD __________________ David Chapman www.davechapfilms.com

November 1st, 2009, 09:53 AM	#5
David Chapman Major Player Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 346	Wow. I think I'm pretty excited about the smallHD DPI monitor. It's larger than the Ikan and Marshall to make up for the 4:3 image being displayed by the 7D and it seems like it will work anywhere. Does anyone use this with their 7D now? edit Looks like Trammell Hudson is using the DPI for his ML testing. I don't know how I missed that before. I feel like I did when I discovered DVInfo for the first time. ;-) __________________ David Chapman www.davechapfilms.com

November 10th, 2009, 11:09 AM	#7
Alex Reid Tourist Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: London, UK Posts: 3	Alex Reid Just to let everyone know, If you press the INFO button whilst in Liveview, the HDMI output (to an on-board monitor) cycles between 4:3 view, 4:3 with additional info/waveform and finally clean 16:9 output, so you can monitor and record with full 16:9 image on an on - board monitor.

November 1st, 2009, 07:59 AM	#2
Jerry Porter Major Player Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Satellite Beach, Fl Posts: 784	I have the Ikan 8 inch HDMI monitor and it seems pretty overpriced for what I got. It is very light (which is good), but it feels VERY fragile. When the 7D outputs in live view it sends out a much smaller picture than when playing back back recorded material. So a 5 inch monitor is not gaining much over what the on-board monitor is giving you. I had a Marsahall SD monitor and it had a great picture and felt very rugged, but was pretty heavy. I know this is not much help, but just some of my observations.

November 10th, 2009, 11:27 AM	#8
Andy Wilkinson Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Cambridge UK Posts: 2,853	Great info Alex! Thanks, and welcome! __________________ Andy K Wilkinson - https://www.shootingimage.co.uk Cambridge (UK) Corporate Video Production

November 10th, 2009, 12:00 PM	#9
Christopher Lovenguth Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 85	Yeah I notice this cycle a few weeks ago with my Marshall V-LCD70P-HDMI. Also if you're using ML with cropmarks and this monitor, if you do this cycle and then go to 1:1 pixel on the Marshall when you're recording (doesn't work until camera goes in to 480p) the crop marks become correct on the screen (I'm using 1:2.35 marks). Although I feel the actual image while viewing is very slightly skewed somehow in this mode, I think it's all pretty close to final outcome. I'm loving this monitor!!!

November 10th, 2009, 04:53 PM	#10
Jim Jolliffe Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: London, UK Posts: 39	Alex, Alright you big gayer. How you finding your 7Ds? Gave mine a little run out in Morocco over the weekend. Did you buy a monitor? If so, which one? Still haven't tried my TV Logic yet. Have you got a HDMI to DVI cable? If so, can I borrow it to try out my monitor. I'm not working the rest of this week, fancy meeting up? I'm off to Malta on a job mid next week, so anytime before that is good. Jim p.s. I found that the new Quicktime 10 (Apple Snow Leopard OS) can't handle the footage, but if I use the old Quicktime 7 it plays fine. Might just be my old MacBook. __________________ www.jimjolliffe.com

November 10th, 2009, 05:22 PM	#11
Jim Jolliffe Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: London, UK Posts: 39	Regarding this thread, I already had a 7 inch TV Logic LVM-071W monitor. TV Logic 7" Multi-format LCD Monitor LVM-071W It's a fantastic monitor that is HD and SD, has a waveform monitor, can take v-lock batteries on the back, and has focus peaking. I haven't had a chance to test it yet with the 7D as I don't have the correct cable (see previous post). Will let you know when I do. Jim __________________ www.jimjolliffe.com

November 11th, 2009, 02:50 PM	#12
Matthew Roddy Major Player Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Riverside, Ca Posts: 307	I've seen the TV Logic at DV Expo earlier this year. Fantastic image. Best I'd seen, including the Marshall (which is no slouch). And the viewing angle was highly usable. If you have the budget, I suppose it's great. For me, though, I'll be buying the SmallHD. VERY good at a much more reasonable price.

November 11th, 2009, 03:41 PM	#13
Benjamin Eckstein Major Player Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Boston, Massachusetts Posts: 380 Images: 1	Sort of off-topic, but trying to figure something out I thought I heard (and hoping I am wrong). When you plug the HDMI into a monitor does it shut off the LCD on the 7D? I am hoping this is not the case so I can use the LCD while a director watches a monitor, but I fear that I heard that somewhere. I ordered an HDMI cable but I don't have it yet to try. Thanks, Benjamin

November 11th, 2009, 04:16 PM	#14
Jerry Porter Major Player Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Satellite Beach, Fl Posts: 784	Yes plugging in the cable does shut off the onboard monitor on the camera.

November 19th, 2009, 01:33 PM	#15
Alex Reid Tourist Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: London, UK Posts: 3	Alright Jim, thanks for the 7D rental recommendation in other forum. Have'nt really had chance to play around with 7d's too much (apart from shooting viral for Moro restaurant in Exmouth Market with Rob Barlow and all L series primes) because Ray has had them working with Hungry Man Productions and Drogba in Ivory Coast (Overheating problems!!- They are definately due to the Z finders capturing and doubling the heat released from LCD screen). Sadly, already, lots of disgruntled 5D MkII owners are spreading vicious rumours about excessive noise and poor picture quality on 7D compared to 5d Mk II sensor, I'm not convinced at all (we own two 7D's and one 5D Mk II). With regards to on-board monitor, after much exhaustive research, and actually rigging a selection of monitors to the camera (never on the hot-shoe of the camera! - risk tearing whole top of camera off! - Either on the hot shoe off-set of an 'L' bracket screw-in flash holder- $13 B&H- then Manfrotto 482 LCD Micro Ball Head to Hot Shoe adaptor or Feral Equipment's brilliant solution of Manfrotto 143BKT Camera Platform for Magic Arm- coming out of tripod screw thread in bottom of camera, then again Manfrotto 482 LCD), decided on the Ikan V5600. We were happy to spend the money on the Marshall (even the 651 ST HDMI, which by the way is not noticeably different in image quality from their much cheaper 70P), but thought it too heavy and cumbersome for hand held. It weighs 1.3 lbs compared to the Ikan's 0.7 lbs, that was the deciding factor for me, even though we're foregoing the very handy focus peaking and false - colour exposure meters (false colour not working entirely on the Canon's - does'nt go from yellow into red for over-exposed highlights). You still have easily the best monitor around (the TV Logic), but realistically, due to size and weight, this can only be used when camera is on sticks or as an off - board monitor on a stand.