7D maximum sustained recording length?

Régine Weinberg · March 26th, 2010, 08:33 PM

U got it
nothing to do with Europen customs regulations,
Great

Kin Lau · March 27th, 2010, 05:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Régine Weinberg

U got it
nothing to do with Europen customs regulations,
Great

Nope... it's got lots to do with the EU. Canon already has the solution - it's already in use in millions of camcorders and other products, the EU tax situation is one of the reasons why it won't implement them for the DSLRs.

It's a very easy software solution - if there's a 4gig file size problem not just in fat32 but also quicktime, then you simply start spanning files.

I don't think there's just _one_ reason, there are _many_ reasons, the EU tax situation is just one of them, and a fairly big one judging by the response of all the DSLR manufacturers like Nikon and Pentax don't have a video division to protect, not just Canon.

Tony Davies-Patrick · March 27th, 2010, 05:45 AM

Chris and Kin are right, as usual... :)

Régine Weinberg · March 27th, 2010, 07:20 AM

why the hell do u have a Win 64 bit to have use of more than 4GB memory
name it !!!!!!
it is not Brussels..

why the hell, even if I'm blonde and my D7 I'm playing with
I got way outside EU, 12 hours flight, it is bought there !!!
Beside I'm holding it in my hands it has never been in Europe before.

Don't blame Europe,
for tax regulation the D7 is not a cam corder, custonms would go crazy if u ask them.
In all shops it is not sitting next to cam corders but to Sony alpha, Pentax and the rest.

Even if u buy a car in Uk and bring it to France they can not read a single document !!!
same with cars goin to Germany from US.

The D7 is in no custom document listed as a cam corder, it is not !!!!!!!!
A cam corder doing photo is never listed as such a thing.

go for it
telecoms tell u here if u use skype on a blackberry or i phone with g3+ the
they will put an end to ur contract with them....
how the hell they should know, as skype is sending data,
that is voip.... there is so mutch rubbish going round

Europe who know about
quite nobody

......

Régine Weinberg · March 27th, 2010, 07:22 AM

and if it works in a camcorder look to data rate
and chip size
ther is never ever a chip something like from a D5 in a prosumer cam corder !!!!!!

Régine Weinberg · March 27th, 2010, 07:37 AM

to give a bit light in the dark
there is a regulation on camcorders not to be used as a recoder for data coming from outside the camcorder to protect Philipls and all since the VHS time......

there have been camcorders to be used as this 20 years ago in US and Asia,
and there have been ways know here in Europe to do exact this.......

That is the only regulation that still exist.

why take the flascard out put in in an Mac or Linux or Win and reformat it
what should be do a regulation>>>>>>>

Tony Davies-Patrick · March 27th, 2010, 09:43 AM

The Emperor's New Clothes...springs to mind.

Kin Lau · March 27th, 2010, 12:33 PM

I take it you're just ranting.... because I'm getting a headache just trying to read that.

Régine Weinberg · March 27th, 2010, 12:49 PM

just imagine is Europe the biggest market..NO
US all over and Asia YES

So why the hell should Canon if there would be a stupid Eu regulation

adopt it all over the world ???

Blackberry way smaller maket share has a special model ,,,azerty,,, and other things
only for France, the junk they have to adopt to French telecoms

they don't have in UK, thanks.

Canon would change it If U from US blaming Europe would cry on Canon
to get rid of the 4 gb limitation.

I'm shure u use all an operating system that can adress more than 4 Gb
all US is on Win 7 64 bit ...ok

but blaming Europe is so dead easy
maybe a D7 will overheat in US and not Europe as it is cold here.
hang on do your math on pointers, speed and some stuff like this.

Manus Sweeney · March 27th, 2010, 01:20 PM

definite ranting :)

Chris Hurd · March 27th, 2010, 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Régine Weinberg

So why the hell should Canon if there would be a stupid Eu regulation

adopt it all over the world ???

Because there's only one single version of the camera, Gina. There's only one model sold worldwide. Since there's only one model, the limitation exists in all of the cameras. They aren't doing separate production runs for different countries.

Liam Hall · March 27th, 2010, 02:09 PM

Much as I loathe the EU (I love Europe, but despise the unelected gravy train that dictates what shape my bananas are), I think it's actually a myth that it's down to the bureaucrats in Brussels why we have a 12 minute record limit. Even wikipedia (not that it means much) puts it down to the FAT32 file limit.

Still the EU did put a tax on the JVC HD101, simply because they had the audacity to put a firewire input on the camera. So, let's blame them anyway - tossers:)

Régine Weinberg · March 27th, 2010, 06:38 PM

U got it, I do blow my trumpet and as Chris put it on the rails, there is only one model all over the world. I do know Brussels, they are crazy like a lot in DC US. Take a look to the Nikon D3S, they write a lot more on a card, due to very high compression and it is 700 something only taratara. ok Brussels is specialist for bananas, tractor seats, french chease, but on film making they are dead stupid and do know maybe Arri and Aataon, not more... have a nice weekend

with the firewire ok it can be used in both directions and as I wrote it is to protect Philips, and the rest of the recording mafia...haha that is protection, well known in the US

Nigel Barker · March 28th, 2010, 01:59 AM

I wish that someone from Canon would give a definitive answer to this question but until then my opinion is just as valid as that of everyone else & I doubt that this limitation on recording time has anything to do with the tax regime in the EU.

On entering the EU the customs duty on a camcorder is 4.9% while it is 0% for a stills camera. A digital camera is classified as a camcorder if it can record more than 30 minutes of video at a quality at or exceeding 800x600 pixels at 23 frames per second or more. Classifying television cameras, video cameras and still digital cameras | Business Link The Canon HD DSLRs don't approach anywhere near this limit as the 640x480 mode is irrelevant & the 720p & 1080p modes could record up to 29'59" without being subject to the camcorder duty.

As a point of comparison for readers outside Europe sales tax (VAT/TVA) here is typically around 20% in addition to the customs duty. The customs duty will be levied based on the wholesale price of the camera when it is imported. So if a Canon 7D retails at 1500 Euros subjecting it to the 4.9% camcorder duty would not add even 50 Euros to the price. I seriously doubt that a Japanese company selling worldwide will make a design decision based on the fact that a particular model will cost the European consumer 45 Euros extra on a 1500 Euro camera.

Specific European models of DV camcorders without Firewire input were produced because otherwise they were classed as VCRs with an import duty of 14.9%. If Canon thought that the extra 45 Euros were a significant disincentive to sales of the 7D in the EU they could produce a different firmware version for Europe that avoided the camcorder classification.

So the current Canon DSLRs would be at most about 3% more expensive to the consumer in Europe if the camcorder duty were levied BUT the cameras could record HD video for more than double the current 12 minutes & still not be subject to camcorder duty.

Régine Weinberg · March 28th, 2010, 05:09 AM

If u could read Chris put it out the 4 GB limit is all over the world
and it is stoneage fat 32 known to all windofs users, good morning
it starts to get boring

Canon has god reason to do this

NOT TO VANDALISE his camcorder market share

good morning
nobody would buy them in a year or so .......

March 27th, 2010, 05:45 AM	#48
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March 27th, 2010, 07:37 AM	#51
Régine Weinberg Major Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Bordeaux, going to Bangkok, 2011 Posts: 232	Europe and video to give a bit light in the dark there is a regulation on camcorders not to be used as a recoder for data coming from outside the camcorder to protect Philipls and all since the VHS time...... there have been camcorders to be used as this 20 years ago in US and Asia, and there have been ways know here in Europe to do exact this....... That is the only regulation that still exist. why take the flascard out put in in an Mac or Linux or Win and reformat it what should be do a regulation>>>>>>>

March 27th, 2010, 09:43 AM	#52
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March 27th, 2010, 02:09 PM	#57
Liam Hall Major Player Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: London, England Posts: 969	Much as I loathe the EU (I love Europe, but despise the unelected gravy train that dictates what shape my bananas are), I think it's actually a myth that it's down to the bureaucrats in Brussels why we have a 12 minute record limit. Even wikipedia (not that it means much) puts it down to the FAT32 file limit. Still the EU did put a tax on the JVC HD101, simply because they had the audacity to put a firewire input on the camera. So, let's blame them anyway - tossers:) __________________ Writer-Director-DOP www.liamhall.net

March 26th, 2010, 08:33 PM	#46
Régine Weinberg Major Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Bordeaux, going to Bangkok, 2011 Posts: 232	U got it nothing to do with Europen customs regulations, Great

March 27th, 2010, 07:20 AM	#49
Régine Weinberg Major Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Bordeaux, going to Bangkok, 2011 Posts: 232	why the hell do u have a Win 64 bit to have use of more than 4GB memory name it !!!!!! it is not Brussels.. why the hell, even if I'm blonde and my D7 I'm playing with I got way outside EU, 12 hours flight, it is bought there !!! Beside I'm holding it in my hands it has never been in Europe before. Don't blame Europe, for tax regulation the D7 is not a cam corder, custonms would go crazy if u ask them. In all shops it is not sitting next to cam corders but to Sony alpha, Pentax and the rest. Even if u buy a car in Uk and bring it to France they can not read a single document !!! same with cars goin to Germany from US. The D7 is in no custom document listed as a cam corder, it is not !!!!!!!! A cam corder doing photo is never listed as such a thing. go for it telecoms tell u here if u use skype on a blackberry or i phone with g3+ the they will put an end to ur contract with them.... how the hell they should know, as skype is sending data, that is voip.... there is so mutch rubbish going round Europe who know about quite nobody ......

March 27th, 2010, 07:22 AM	#50
Régine Weinberg Major Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Bordeaux, going to Bangkok, 2011 Posts: 232	and if it works in a camcorder look to data rate and chip size ther is never ever a chip something like from a D5 in a prosumer cam corder !!!!!!

March 27th, 2010, 12:33 PM	#53
Kin Lau Major Player Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Ottawa, ON Posts: 385	I take it you're just ranting.... because I'm getting a headache just trying to read that.

March 27th, 2010, 12:49 PM	#54
Régine Weinberg Major Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Bordeaux, going to Bangkok, 2011 Posts: 232	just imagine is Europe the biggest market..NO US all over and Asia YES So why the hell should Canon if there would be a stupid Eu regulation adopt it all over the world ??? Blackberry way smaller maket share has a special model ,,,azerty,,, and other things only for France, the junk they have to adopt to French telecoms they don't have in UK, thanks. Canon would change it If U from US blaming Europe would cry on Canon to get rid of the 4 gb limitation. I'm shure u use all an operating system that can adress more than 4 Gb all US is on Win 7 64 bit ...ok but blaming Europe is so dead easy maybe a D7 will overheat in US and not Europe as it is cold here. hang on do your math on pointers, speed and some stuff like this.

March 27th, 2010, 01:20 PM	#55
Manus Sweeney Major Player Join Date: May 2009 Location: Amsterdam, NL Posts: 217	definite ranting :)

March 27th, 2010, 06:38 PM	#58
Régine Weinberg Major Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Bordeaux, going to Bangkok, 2011 Posts: 232	U got it, I do blow my trumpet and as Chris put it on the rails, there is only one model all over the world. I do know Brussels, they are crazy like a lot in DC US. Take a look to the Nikon D3S, they write a lot more on a card, due to very high compression and it is 700 something only taratara. ok Brussels is specialist for bananas, tractor seats, french chease, but on film making they are dead stupid and do know maybe Arri and Aataon, not more... have a nice weekend with the firewire ok it can be used in both directions and as I wrote it is to protect Philips, and the rest of the recording mafia...haha that is protection, well known in the US

March 28th, 2010, 01:59 AM	#59
Nigel Barker Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Norwich, Norfolk, UK Posts: 3,531	I wish that someone from Canon would give a definitive answer to this question but until then my opinion is just as valid as that of everyone else & I doubt that this limitation on recording time has anything to do with the tax regime in the EU. On entering the EU the customs duty on a camcorder is 4.9% while it is 0% for a stills camera. A digital camera is classified as a camcorder if it can record more than 30 minutes of video at a quality at or exceeding 800x600 pixels at 23 frames per second or more. Classifying television cameras, video cameras and still digital cameras \| Business Link The Canon HD DSLRs don't approach anywhere near this limit as the 640x480 mode is irrelevant & the 720p & 1080p modes could record up to 29'59" without being subject to the camcorder duty. As a point of comparison for readers outside Europe sales tax (VAT/TVA) here is typically around 20% in addition to the customs duty. The customs duty will be levied based on the wholesale price of the camera when it is imported. So if a Canon 7D retails at 1500 Euros subjecting it to the 4.9% camcorder duty would not add even 50 Euros to the price. I seriously doubt that a Japanese company selling worldwide will make a design decision based on the fact that a particular model will cost the European consumer 45 Euros extra on a 1500 Euro camera. Specific European models of DV camcorders without Firewire input were produced because otherwise they were classed as VCRs with an import duty of 14.9%. If Canon thought that the extra 45 Euros were a significant disincentive to sales of the 7D in the EU they could produce a different firmware version for Europe that avoided the camcorder classification. So the current Canon DSLRs would be at most about 3% more expensive to the consumer in Europe if the camcorder duty were levied BUT the cameras could record HD video for more than double the current 12 minutes & still not be subject to camcorder duty.

March 28th, 2010, 05:09 AM	#60
Régine Weinberg Major Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Bordeaux, going to Bangkok, 2011 Posts: 232	If u could read Chris put it out the 4 GB limit is all over the world and it is stoneage fat 32 known to all windofs users, good morning it starts to get boring Canon has god reason to do this NOT TO VANDALISE his camcorder market share good morning nobody would buy them in a year or so .......