How to use the C200 and Ninja External Monitors at DVinfo.net

Patrick Bronte · May 29th, 2020, 10:36 AM

Hello,

I’ve just upgraded from the Cannon C100mk2 to the C200. With the C100 I was using the Ninja Blade as both an external monitor and recorder. When using the Ninja Blade, I didn’t have to do anything but plug it in a hit record and it recorded a clean ProRess file. Through the Ninja Blade I could see and monitor everything that appears on the cameras LCD screen such as Audio Levels, Battery Life, The recording time on SD cards etc But it didn’t record all of this data onto the ProRess file. It was the default, I didn’t have to change anything in the settings.

Different story when I upgraded to the C200. I stupidly assumed that the combination of the C200 and Ninja Blade would work the same way it did with the C100 mk2. Unfortunately, the ProRess file I recorded onto the Ninja Blade had recorded my subject and all of the data that appears on the LCD screen. So when looking at the files it looks like a recording of the LCD screen. I really want to be able to record a clean ProRess file onto the Ninja without all the data that appears on the LCD screen. How can I make sure it doesn’t while still being able to see the data from the camera on the external monitor and keep an eye on the Ninjas battery life?

The Ninja Blade has served me well but as it’s getting old and sometimes plays up but once it’s recording it does the job well. I still went out a purchased a Ninja V as a back up which also recorded interviews with the C100 perfectly.

Can anyone please tell me what I need to do to record a clean image onto an external monitor, in my case either the Ninja Blade or V, using the C200 without recording the data you see on the cameras LCD screen? I have fiddled around in the settings but can’t find anything that will stop this from happening.

Any tips, tricks or advice would be most appreciated

Travis Andersen · May 31st, 2020, 01:44 PM

With the C200 you can not record a clean feed and see the OSD. It will either burnt in on recording or not be shown, clean feed. Trust your scopes and display on the Ninja V, they are very good.

Patrick Bronte · June 2nd, 2020, 12:24 PM

So I have consulted the manual with some help from a Cannon Expert. So I have to tap the Ninja screen so there is nothing displayed on the Ninja’s screen in order to record a clean feed?
You’ve used the Ninja V, have you found the results to be pretty good when compared with the Ninja Blade and other more high end Atomos products? Do you use it both as a recorder and a monitor?
Your input is most appreciated!

Travis Andersen · June 2nd, 2020, 12:54 PM

Hi Patrick, No you do not need to tap the screen while recording. Everything displayed on the Ninja is only Overlays. It is never burnt in only shows what's being recorded. For you to not record the canon overlays which will be burnt in, you need to turn off the On Screen Display in the menu.
I have had the Ninja Blade in the past and was excellent when I had a C100, better colors and bit rate. On the C200 I also use the SDI module. I mostly shoot 4K on this camera. So with that I can get 4K with the SSD card simultaneously or use SDI and record 2K and while I have RAW on the CFast card. Added back up and great visual tools on the Ninjas to get your picture close to what you want in the end.

Jeremiah Rickert · June 7th, 2020, 01:46 AM

Wait, so the C200 doesn't have the option to not send OSD info to the HDMI and SDI outputs? Every Canon camera I've owned from the GL1 to my XF405s can do it with a menu toggle.

Travis Andersen · June 7th, 2020, 08:23 AM

No, the c200 does do OSD over HDMI and SDI. The question was about monitor recording with the OSD on thru HDMI. It will be burnt in on the Ninja recordings if left on.

Jeremiah Rickert · June 7th, 2020, 12:53 PM

I know, but there should be an option to toggle OSD off, so it's not burned in. You can still see it on the fold-out viewfinder, but it doesn't go to the outputs. It sounded like people were saying that there was no way to NOT send the OSD to the outputs, while being able to see it on the viewfinder.

May 29th, 2020, 10:36 AM	#1
Patrick Bronte Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: New Zealand Posts: 37	How to use the C200 and Ninja External Monitors Hello, I’ve just upgraded from the Cannon C100mk2 to the C200. With the C100 I was using the Ninja Blade as both an external monitor and recorder. When using the Ninja Blade, I didn’t have to do anything but plug it in a hit record and it recorded a clean ProRess file. Through the Ninja Blade I could see and monitor everything that appears on the cameras LCD screen such as Audio Levels, Battery Life, The recording time on SD cards etc But it didn’t record all of this data onto the ProRess file. It was the default, I didn’t have to change anything in the settings. Different story when I upgraded to the C200. I stupidly assumed that the combination of the C200 and Ninja Blade would work the same way it did with the C100 mk2. Unfortunately, the ProRess file I recorded onto the Ninja Blade had recorded my subject and all of the data that appears on the LCD screen. So when looking at the files it looks like a recording of the LCD screen. I really want to be able to record a clean ProRess file onto the Ninja without all the data that appears on the LCD screen. How can I make sure it doesn’t while still being able to see the data from the camera on the external monitor and keep an eye on the Ninjas battery life? The Ninja Blade has served me well but as it’s getting old and sometimes plays up but once it’s recording it does the job well. I still went out a purchased a Ninja V as a back up which also recorded interviews with the C100 perfectly. Can anyone please tell me what I need to do to record a clean image onto an external monitor, in my case either the Ninja Blade or V, using the C200 without recording the data you see on the cameras LCD screen? I have fiddled around in the settings but can’t find anything that will stop this from happening. Any tips, tricks or advice would be most appreciated

May 31st, 2020, 01:44 PM	#2
Travis Andersen Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Tuckahoe, NY Posts: 87	Re: How to use the C200 and Ninja External Monitors With the C200 you can not record a clean feed and see the OSD. It will either burnt in on recording or not be shown, clean feed. Trust your scopes and display on the Ninja V, they are very good.

June 2nd, 2020, 12:24 PM	#3
Patrick Bronte Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: New Zealand Posts: 37	Re: How to use the C200 and Ninja External Monitors So I have consulted the manual with some help from a Cannon Expert. So I have to tap the Ninja screen so there is nothing displayed on the Ninja’s screen in order to record a clean feed? You’ve used the Ninja V, have you found the results to be pretty good when compared with the Ninja Blade and other more high end Atomos products? Do you use it both as a recorder and a monitor? Your input is most appreciated!

June 2nd, 2020, 12:54 PM	#4
Travis Andersen Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Tuckahoe, NY Posts: 87	Re: How to use the C200 and Ninja External Monitors Hi Patrick, No you do not need to tap the screen while recording. Everything displayed on the Ninja is only Overlays. It is never burnt in only shows what's being recorded. For you to not record the canon overlays which will be burnt in, you need to turn off the On Screen Display in the menu. I have had the Ninja Blade in the past and was excellent when I had a C100, better colors and bit rate. On the C200 I also use the SDI module. I mostly shoot 4K on this camera. So with that I can get 4K with the SSD card simultaneously or use SDI and record 2K and while I have RAW on the CFast card. Added back up and great visual tools on the Ninjas to get your picture close to what you want in the end.

June 7th, 2020, 01:46 AM	#5
Jeremiah Rickert Major Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Newberg, Oregon Posts: 494	Re: How to use the C200 and Ninja External Monitors Wait, so the C200 doesn't have the option to not send OSD info to the HDMI and SDI outputs? Every Canon camera I've owned from the GL1 to my XF405s can do it with a menu toggle.

June 7th, 2020, 08:23 AM	#6
Travis Andersen Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Tuckahoe, NY Posts: 87	Re: How to use the C200 and Ninja External Monitors No, the c200 does do OSD over HDMI and SDI. The question was about monitor recording with the OSD on thru HDMI. It will be burnt in on the Ninja recordings if left on.

June 7th, 2020, 12:53 PM	#7
Jeremiah Rickert Major Player Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Newberg, Oregon Posts: 494	Re: How to use the C200 and Ninja External Monitors I know, but there should be an option to toggle OSD off, so it's not burned in. You can still see it on the fold-out viewfinder, but it doesn't go to the outputs. It sounded like people were saying that there was no way to NOT send the OSD to the outputs, while being able to see it on the viewfinder.