C100 Mark II with Ninja

[Ken Diewert]

Originally Posted by Gary Huff

I use a Ninja (Shogun now) because:

a) Clients still on FCP7 love the ProRes right off the drive.

b) More robust when it comes to actual color correction like power windows, secondaries, and keying.

If all you're looking for is an immediate and striking visual difference, it looks more or less the same as the internal AVCHD.

AVCHD vs ProRes

Thanks for this Gary,

The ninja can be a clunky thing to drag around and lots of times I'd rather just shoot internally. Though I haven't figured out how to get FCPX to split the AVCHD clips - and Clipwrap makes huge Prores files.

I noticed that the Ninja does not like the high ISO's in your test footage. I have heard that the Ninja does best at 850, and haven't pushed it beyond that.

[Jim Andrada]

I like the idea of the Ninja Star and the size is much better for on-camera mounting, but the price of the CFast cards is still too high for me. At a minimum I need 256GB to record a classical concert including the before and after talks. Guess I'll stick with the Ninja 2 and an SSD (or even a 2.5 HDD) for a while yet. I have a 480GB SSD that didn't work in the BMCC so I repurposed it for the Ninja 2.

(I know the Atomos branded card is more reasonably priced, but two 128GB cards won't always work out so I'd need three of them)

[Dave Ande]

The new Black Magic Video assist that was announced at Nab today looks interesting. Although I don't shoot much green screen, it has me thinking about it for my C100.

[Josh Dahlberg]

Originally Posted by Gary Huff

No you won't. It can eliminate macroblocking in certain visuals, depending on the complexity of the scene, but most of these require zooming in at 200% or more to see. You will not see any difference for the most part between internal and recording HQ on the Ninja Star.

Well I agree with Pavel. It's especially obvious in flesh tones indoors. By eliminating macro blocking there is more detail. I don't find it necessary to zoom in beyond 100% to see in most cases, and with a little colour correction the difference is especially obvious.

[Erick Perdomo]

Hi there. I hope this thread is alive and well! I decided to buy a used Ninja 2 from a friend to use with the C100 mk2. I have been recording on MP4 1080 60p with the C100 mk2 and I know the ninja 2 can only do 1080 30p so I guess I must change the C100 mk2 to 1080 30p as well? I intend to record internally too in MP4. What happens if I don't change the internal settings on the C100 mk2?
thanks for the help

Erick

[Gary Huff]

Originally Posted by Erick Perdomo

What happens if I don't change the internal settings on the C100 mk2

Hey Erick, trying hooking up your Ninja-2 to the C100 Mark II and setting it to 1080p60 and see what happens!

[Erick Perdomo]

hi. I just updated the ninja to v4.23 and tried recording. I left the Canon C100 MK2 at 108060p...
but on the ninja my options were 1080i59.94, 1080p 29.97 and 1080p 23.98 so since I don't want interlaced or 24p I changed the input on the ninja to 1080p 29.97...it records and it looks fine...is this the correct thing to do?
thanks
Erick

[Erick Perdomo]

Hi Gary. I just imported a couple of clips from the Ninja2 into FCP7- Prores LT and if I changed the timeline to match the clip, to my eyes the clip looks interlaced -some jagged edges etc even if the clip info shows me that in fact is a prores LT 1080p 29.97..I'm sure I read about this somewhere here before..but if I import another prores LT video and I change the timeline to match it and then import the same file from the ninja2, the clip doesn't seem to have any jagged edges and it looks crisper..ah...

no clue! but I'll keep reading
thanks
E

[Gary Huff]

Originally Posted by Erick Perdomo

Hi Gary. I just imported a couple of clips from the Ninja2 into FCP7- Prores LT and if I changed the timeline to match the clip, to my eyes the clip looks interlaced -some jagged edges etc even if the clip info shows me that in fact is a prores LT 1080p 29.97.

Yes, that's what is output from the C100 Mark II in 60p to the Ninja unless you activate the 59.97P option in the HDMI menu. If you do that, however, you will not get an input signal into the Ninja because it does not support 1080p60.

[Erick Perdomo]

hi again Gary. I know the shogun is the only Atomos recorded capable of 108060p but I will use the ninja2 maybe 15% of the time- the MP4 coded is good for most of my work.
But I want to set up the Ninja2 correctly for those times I will use it.
So would it be better to change the C100 settings from MP4 -59.94p at 35Mbps to MP4-29.97p at 24Mbps?
Seems like a big drop from 35Mbps to 24Mbps...I would like to maximize the pic quality.
but even without changing the C100 settings I was able to record into the ninja at 29.97... I seldomly videotape at 24p.

any suggestions? thanks
Erick

[Gary Huff]

Originally Posted by Erick Perdomo

So would it be better to change the C100 settings from MP4 -59.94p at 35Mbps to MP4-29.97p at 24Mbps?

I have no idea what you are asking Erick. Do you want to record your footage at 60p or 30p?

[Erick Perdomo]

well..what I'm thinking is that I could record internally to 60p MP4 (in case I wanted to do some slow mo later by making this footage conform to 24p) and I could record to the ninja 2 as 29.97p which is the max the ninja2 can do...I hope this doesn't cause any problems with the prores LT footage.
Maybe the best thing to do will be to set up the C100mk2 to record 1080 30p at 24Mbps so that it matches the ninja2. I seldomly do slow mo anyway.

I saw this video on youtube and in the description (I clicked on more to see the English details), they recorded to 30p in the ninja 2 and internally to 60p without any issues it seems..

Canon EOS C100 Mark2 + ATOMS Ninja2 Test - YouTube

I will do some testing and decide. I will not use AVCHD. Only MP4.
thanks
E