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Re: Canon EOS C100
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Re: Canon EOS C100
This Canon rep confirms that the HDMI output is 4:2:2
It was posted just 11 hours ago. In fact, he states it twice.. at time 2:30sec and 2:45sec. |
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Re: Canon EOS C100
That is not the pending issue. canon Japan confirmed that not only is it 4:2:2 but it is identical to C300
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Re: Canon EOS C100
Well guys it was great following this thread and having a C100 on pre-order but now seeing the direction Sony is going and hopefully Panasonic following suit I'm canceling my pre-order and waiting this out a bit more. If history is correct Canon's next offering should be in 2 more years which should have the slow-mo I'll miss if I purchased the C100. Not taking that chance again. -____-
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Re: Canon EOS C100
Yep, those two new Sony F5 and F55 cams sure look GREAT and I'd love one! We don't know pricing yet but rumours (and they are only rumours at the moment) are that the F5 will give the C300 VERY serious competition on price - and of course totally tramples it on the specs front. I think if I was about to buy a Canon C300 or C500 or 1D-C at the moment it would be wise decision to wait - if I could. Soon it won't just be RED that's repositioning its price offering! Fantastic news from Sony.
However, C100 is/was definitely always going to be in a lower price bracket no matter what. I've been looking hard for a year already and need it now/can't sit things out any longer and in truth don't want to spend £>10K on any one cam in this fast moving environment anyway. But if the jobs keep flying in like they are at the moment maybe I'll get a F5 or F55 one day not to far in the future : -)
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Re: Canon EOS C100
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Re: Canon EOS C100
New ballgame with the Sonys but what is the real price and when will they ship? Still our team could have two C100s with external recorders or a Sony F5.
And then there is the pending resolution of the major issue. How major? If I don't get the right answer we will cancel our orders, and I imagine many of you will. Takes the C100 out of the professional category, and into VG30 territory, |
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Re: Canon EOS C100
I expect the F5 will be $20 K once you have XLR and proper recording. My interest is in the F55 with a C300 as B cam.
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Re: Canon EOS C100
Which major issue?
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Re: Canon EOS C100
Basically, the F5 is everything we hoped the C300 was going to be and a bunch more.
We've certainly shot but never owned Sony, and aside from a JVC and Panasonic camera, always owned Canons. After the specs and Canon's imposed limitations, we ultimately ruled out the C100, they just don't compete today as a professional tool, let alone in a year. With it's sensor it should, but they've made the C100 old technology before it's even released. They're offering way less than they need to and that will prove to be a big mistake. Certainly Sony and now Red think so. Sony has taken a whole different approach, offering much more with the new F cameras than Canon is with their C cameras. It's a bigger, more generous vision/offering of features, codecs, frame rates even the VFs and modular approach. Canon seems all about limiting their new cameras by comparison, from the hardware to the software and telling their potential customers that the new cameras engines can't support higher frame rates. Bad vision. |
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Re: Canon EOS C100
Well said Jim,
And that is from a happy C300 owner. |
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Re: Canon EOS C100
Shouldn't the comparison be with the C500? It has uncompressed 4:4:4 raw output from 3SDI. The advantage of the C300 is it is here and now. The C100 is going to be priced well below the F5, and it will have uncompressed 4:2:2 out the back. Sony XAVC codec for 4k, one way of looking at it, it's internally recording AVC h.264 for 4k. The C100 is AVC h.264 internally for 2k. Ergonomically, which would you rather hand hold, the C series or the F? If you were kitted already with Canon lenses, that's got to factor into a decision as well.
I think the C100 will be capable of competive images but if they have gone too far in delivering less than their best, they will get their just desserts. |
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Re: Canon EOS C100
I have agreed to hold off for a few more days until Canon USA can talk with Canon Japan. Then I will either say what now appears to be a huge mistake on Canon's part, or what was merely a mistake in Canon Tech support's knowledge base,
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Re: Canon EOS C100
Seconded. Very good points from Jim. There's a lot to take in at the moment, and a lot still to come - especially prices! But Sony really do seem to have listened for once regarding points about ergonomics for one thing, and it's impressive the way they do seem to have thought about a system rather than a single product. But early days.
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