Disney to go with Blu-Ray

Paulo Teixeira · February 27th, 2008, 11:11 PM

If you export the footage to around 25Mbps of MPEG2, you could fit close to 2 hours in a 25 gig disc but you can easily fit a lot more without sacrificing the picture quality by exporting to around 15Mbps of h.264.

Paulo Teixeira · February 28th, 2008, 04:02 AM

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2008/02/prweb711333.htm

Andrew Wilson · March 25th, 2008, 06:45 PM

http://www.roxio.com/enu/company/press/08_03_17_pr.html

When someone is able to test this out... please post results.

I don't even have a Blu-Ray player yet (or Toast 9 for that matter)

Roxio's page says that it supports HD content from AVCHD camcorders and 'other HD content'.

Says it supports PS3 and burning Blu-Ray on standard DVD-R.

Andrew Wilson · March 25th, 2008, 07:41 PM

Doesn't look promising

http://forums.support.roxio.com/inde...howtopic=36424

http://forums.support.roxio.com/inde...howtopic=36461

Dan Wells · March 26th, 2008, 08:08 AM

Both Roxio threads focus on "Blu-ray" burning to standard DVDs (high-def on cheap media, only plays on some blu-ray players, 30 minute or so capacity). Has anyone tried a real Blu-ray disc - I'd assume that the MPEG-4 encode problem might still be there, and I wonder how compatible the disc would be (I've seen reports that a lot of Blu-ray players don't like recordable discs due to a DRM issue). If this is true, the whole video and indie movie community should really get on Sony's case about it. Copy-protecting the major studios' movies is almost OK (I say almost because it creates all sorts of hardware restrictions that make life difficult and expensive for people who aren't pirates), but using DRM to keep people from watching things the big studios DON'T have anything to do with smacks of censorship - you watch what we feed you, because we'll use our DRM might to keep the little guys from getting their movies out!

Anthony Martin · April 2nd, 2008, 06:05 PM

Can some one tell me how long of a video I can put on a 25gb blu ray dvd at highest quality from Vegas?

Michael Dunn · April 2nd, 2008, 09:05 PM

I have been creating programs that, in some cases, are longer and file size larger than a single DVD-Dual Layer can accomodate. I am delivering finished edited programs to clients that then sell or market my work for me. I do not do any direct to consumer business.

I have to deliver the product in AVI format. The client then encodes it for distribution either as a DVD or via web download.

I have one client (in the Netherlands) that I trade portable hard drives with; but I don't want to tie up a lot of money in Hard Drives that float around. In this case they own the HD's and they are convenient for shipping a lot of video an still images. It is cheaper to send everything via FedEx in one HD.

So my questions are.

Should I consider Blue-Ray?

Will a Blue-Ray DVD hold more running time?

Will I have to purchase a Blue-Ray authoring/burning software program?

I will also have to get a Blue-Ray disk burner as well. Are there good ones out there for burning masters.

I edit with Sony Vegas Movie Studio+DVD. It does not support Blue-Ray as far as I can tell. Unless there are upgrades available for it.

I am not a techie on all this kind of stuff, so any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Anthony Martin · April 3rd, 2008, 08:43 AM

On a 25G single-layer BD recordable disc this gives you approximately 3h42m for AVC or 2h15m for MPEG-2.

Anthony Martin · April 3rd, 2008, 08:48 AM

Thanks.....

Mike Meyerson · April 3rd, 2008, 09:41 AM

The problem right now is that most people don't have Blu-ray players.

Blu-ray discs hold a lot more info...but they are a lot more $$.

You will have to buy a blu-ray burner and make sure your authoring program handles blu-ray. Your editing program doesn't make a difference (unless you're using it to author or encode DVD's).

Florin Andrei · April 4th, 2008, 06:17 PM

I am doing some tests with a very simple but complete Blu-Ray image that I have on the PC - I'm burning it on regular DVD-R disks, but using the UDF 2.50 filesystem. This way, the Playstation 3 accepts the disk as type "AVCHD" and plays it in full HD resolution, as if it were a genuine BD. No problems so far.

Now here's the thing: I use ImgBurn to burn the image on the DVD. I can select either just UDF 2.50, or I can add to it Joliet, ISO9660 or both.
For some reason, if I add any other filesystem to UDF 2.50, ImgBurn complains, saying there might be compatibility problems with some BD players. But the PS3, at least, has no such issues.

Are you aware of any BD players that might not like BD media that has Joliet and/or ISO9660 in addition to UDF 2.50?

I'd like to use all 3 filesystems at once, since that makes it easier to read those discs on some computers.

Robert M Wright · April 5th, 2008, 05:46 PM

If your client is doing the encoding for final product delivery, and has a Blu-Ray drive (even if it only reads Blu-Ray disks) in their computer, then I can't see any reason why you couldn't deliver AVI files (using whatever codec you have been using), burned onto a Blu-Ray data disk. If you use BD-RE, your client could also return the disk for re-use.

Dan Wells · April 9th, 2008, 10:36 PM

I know Apple won't officially be there, but Steve loves to drop things in the middle of other people's conferences... What do people think about the possibility of the Blu-Ray version of DVDSP showing up next week? I'm about to buy Premiere just to get Encore, but I'd certainly prefer the Apple end to end solution (I edit in Final Cut Pro)...

-Dan

Greg Voevodsky · April 12th, 2008, 09:32 PM

Let us pray... or yell "HURRY THE @#$ UP!! We want it now!"

Robert Lane · April 13th, 2008, 11:10 AM

Indeed; if anyone is going to the LAFCPUG meeting in 'Vegas (I had planned to attend but instead have to finish directing a client edit) or learns of any *concrete* BR news for DVDSP5, be sure to post it on the Mac forum. Just make sure it's published information, not more rumour - we've all had enough guesswork.

February 27th, 2008, 11:11 PM	#121
Paulo Teixeira Trustee Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 1,773	If you export the footage to around 25Mbps of MPEG2, you could fit close to 2 hours in a 25 gig disc but you can easily fit a lot more without sacrificing the picture quality by exporting to around 15Mbps of h.264. __________________ https://www.youtube.com/user/PhotoVi...esEtc/featured https://www.pond5.com/artist/paulot

February 28th, 2008, 04:02 AM	#122
Paulo Teixeira Trustee Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 1,773	NetBlender to add Blu-ray Authoring to its High Definition Toolset http://www.prweb.com/releases/2008/02/prweb711333.htm __________________ https://www.youtube.com/user/PhotoVi...esEtc/featured https://www.pond5.com/artist/paulot

March 25th, 2008, 06:45 PM	#123
Andrew Wilson Tourist Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Vermont, USA Posts: 123	Toast 9 supports Blu-Ray Burning and some authoring http://www.roxio.com/enu/company/press/08_03_17_pr.html When someone is able to test this out... please post results. I don't even have a Blu-Ray player yet (or Toast 9 for that matter) Roxio's page says that it supports HD content from AVCHD camcorders and 'other HD content'. Says it supports PS3 and burning Blu-Ray on standard DVD-R.

April 2nd, 2008, 06:05 PM	#126
Anthony Martin Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Hauppauge, New York Posts: 49	blu ray size question Can some one tell me how long of a video I can put on a 25gb blu ray dvd at highest quality from Vegas?

April 2nd, 2008, 09:05 PM	#127
Michael Dunn Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Riverwoods, IL Posts: 65	Should I consider Blue Ray for program delivery? I have been creating programs that, in some cases, are longer and file size larger than a single DVD-Dual Layer can accomodate. I am delivering finished edited programs to clients that then sell or market my work for me. I do not do any direct to consumer business. I have to deliver the product in AVI format. The client then encodes it for distribution either as a DVD or via web download. I have one client (in the Netherlands) that I trade portable hard drives with; but I don't want to tie up a lot of money in Hard Drives that float around. In this case they own the HD's and they are convenient for shipping a lot of video an still images. It is cheaper to send everything via FedEx in one HD. So my questions are. Should I consider Blue-Ray? Will a Blue-Ray DVD hold more running time? Will I have to purchase a Blue-Ray authoring/burning software program? I will also have to get a Blue-Ray disk burner as well. Are there good ones out there for burning masters. I edit with Sony Vegas Movie Studio+DVD. It does not support Blue-Ray as far as I can tell. Unless there are upgrades available for it. I am not a techie on all this kind of stuff, so any help would be appreciated. Thanks,

March 25th, 2008, 07:41 PM	#124
Andrew Wilson Tourist Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Vermont, USA Posts: 123	Doesn't look promising http://forums.support.roxio.com/inde...howtopic=36424 http://forums.support.roxio.com/inde...howtopic=36461

March 26th, 2008, 08:08 AM	#125
Dan Wells Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Starksboro VT Posts: 30	Both Roxio threads focus on "Blu-ray" burning to standard DVDs (high-def on cheap media, only plays on some blu-ray players, 30 minute or so capacity). Has anyone tried a real Blu-ray disc - I'd assume that the MPEG-4 encode problem might still be there, and I wonder how compatible the disc would be (I've seen reports that a lot of Blu-ray players don't like recordable discs due to a DRM issue). If this is true, the whole video and indie movie community should really get on Sony's case about it. Copy-protecting the major studios' movies is almost OK (I say almost because it creates all sorts of hardware restrictions that make life difficult and expensive for people who aren't pirates), but using DRM to keep people from watching things the big studios DON'T have anything to do with smacks of censorship - you watch what we feed you, because we'll use our DRM might to keep the little guys from getting their movies out!

April 3rd, 2008, 08:43 AM	#128
Anthony Martin Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Hauppauge, New York Posts: 49	On a 25G single-layer BD recordable disc this gives you approximately 3h42m for AVC or 2h15m for MPEG-2.

April 3rd, 2008, 08:48 AM	#129
Anthony Martin Regular Crew Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Hauppauge, New York Posts: 49	Thanks.....

April 3rd, 2008, 09:41 AM	#130
Mike Meyerson Major Player Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: mahopac, NY Posts: 293	The problem right now is that most people don't have Blu-ray players. Blu-ray discs hold a lot more info...but they are a lot more $$. You will have to buy a blu-ray burner and make sure your authoring program handles blu-ray. Your editing program doesn't make a difference (unless you're using it to author or encode DVD's).

April 4th, 2008, 06:17 PM	#131
Florin Andrei New Boot Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Palo Alto, CA Posts: 9	Joliet and ISO9660 on Blu-Ray disc? I am doing some tests with a very simple but complete Blu-Ray image that I have on the PC - I'm burning it on regular DVD-R disks, but using the UDF 2.50 filesystem. This way, the Playstation 3 accepts the disk as type "AVCHD" and plays it in full HD resolution, as if it were a genuine BD. No problems so far. Now here's the thing: I use ImgBurn to burn the image on the DVD. I can select either just UDF 2.50, or I can add to it Joliet, ISO9660 or both. For some reason, if I add any other filesystem to UDF 2.50, ImgBurn complains, saying there might be compatibility problems with some BD players. But the PS3, at least, has no such issues. Are you aware of any BD players that might not like BD media that has Joliet and/or ISO9660 in addition to UDF 2.50? I'd like to use all 3 filesystems at once, since that makes it easier to read those discs on some computers. Last edited by Florin Andrei; April 4th, 2008 at 06:19 PM. Reason: typo

April 5th, 2008, 05:46 PM	#132
Robert M Wright Inner Circle Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Minnesota (USA) Posts: 2,171	If your client is doing the encoding for final product delivery, and has a Blu-Ray drive (even if it only reads Blu-Ray disks) in their computer, then I can't see any reason why you couldn't deliver AVI files (using whatever codec you have been using), burned onto a Blu-Ray data disk. If you use BD-RE, your client could also return the disk for re-use.

April 9th, 2008, 10:36 PM	#133
Dan Wells Regular Crew Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Starksboro VT Posts: 30	DVD Studio Pro 5 (Blu-Ray) around NAB? I know Apple won't officially be there, but Steve loves to drop things in the middle of other people's conferences... What do people think about the possibility of the Blu-Ray version of DVDSP showing up next week? I'm about to buy Premiere just to get Encore, but I'd certainly prefer the Apple end to end solution (I edit in Final Cut Pro)... -Dan

April 12th, 2008, 09:32 PM	#134
Greg Voevodsky Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Portola Valley Posts: 105	Let us pray... or yell "HURRY THE @#$ UP!! We want it now!"

April 13th, 2008, 11:10 AM	#135
Robert Lane Go Go Godzilla Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Scottsdale, AZ USA Posts: 2,823 Images: 15	Indeed; if anyone is going to the LAFCPUG meeting in 'Vegas (I had planned to attend but instead have to finish directing a client edit) or learns of any concrete BR news for DVDSP5, be sure to post it on the Mac forum. Just make sure it's published information, not more rumour - we've all had enough guesswork.