Disney to go with Blu-Ray

Ronald Lee · April 13th, 2008, 05:48 PM

I have a question, with DV-AVI being captured from the DV tapes at SD quality (if shot in SD), when the Blueray format becomes the format to use, will we will be able to view our AVI's? (i.e. then we'll have HD screens and players, etc...).

I don't know if it's possible/worth it to uprez all the footage, but will these be safe for a long time, even after blue ray?

William Urschel · April 22nd, 2008, 09:40 PM

Excuse me, this may not be entirely relavant to this board, but because of the excellent feedback I've received here about potential mis-information received elsewhere, I wonder if this is true? Someone on another forum just made the definite statement that "1080 30p is incompatible with Blu Ray". I don't have a Blu Ray burner yet, but will be getting one shortly. One of the reasons I purchased Prospect and then the EX-1 was to use 1080 30p. Am I barking up the wrong tree?

Mike Barber · April 23rd, 2008, 12:54 AM

Get all the info on what is compatible from the horses mouth.

Jon Fairhurst · April 23rd, 2008, 11:53 AM

Hi everybody,

I'm authoring 50 and 60 Hz Blu-ray discs that will be used as part of an international standard. I want to make sure that the discs comply to the spec, and that I'm encoding for the highest possible quality.

Does anybody know where I can download or buy the BD media spec?

I don't need player or physical disc details. I just need to know the limits for encoding MPEG-4 AVC that will fit legally on the disc.

Thanks!

Christopher Lefchik · April 23rd, 2008, 12:26 PM

See Blu-ray Disc Public Specs.

Looking at the PDF paper available from that link, the max video bitrate for any of the supported video codecs is 40Mbps. The max audio bitrate depends on the audio codec used. For LPCM it's 27.648Mbps, for Dolby Digital 640kbps, for Dolby Digital Plus 4.736Mbps, for Dolby Lossless 18.64Mbps, for DTS digital surround 1.524Mbps, and for DTS-HD 24.5Mbps.

Jon Fairhurst · April 23rd, 2008, 03:39 PM

Perfect! Thanks!

Here's the direct link to the PDF:
http://www.blu-raydisc.com/Assets/Do...tion-15496.pdf

BTW, at NAB, Sony showed 1080p60 from a Blu-ray disc. I asked the person staffing the display what was new, but didn't get a knowledgeable answer. Looking at the spec, it's clear that 1080p24 is supported, but not 1080p60.

Hopefully, 1080p60 will be supported with a future profile...

Thanks again for the reference!

Richard Leadbetter · April 24th, 2008, 12:10 AM

There's nothing to stop you exporting 1080p30 as 1080i60, which certainly is BD compatible. Use two fields to create one progressive frame and the effect should be all but identical on the vast majority of capable displays.

Patrick Bower · May 1st, 2008, 07:38 AM

Anyone know when 4x re-writable Blu Ray discs will be available?
Patrick

Shaun Conner · May 13th, 2008, 08:34 AM

That's a great question. Maybe within the next few months since they have been producing burners with that capability for a few months.

Randy Johnson · May 14th, 2008, 05:40 PM

Anyone out there delivering on blue-ray yet? I have pretty much everything I need except the actual burner I havent had much call for it and I cant see spending a premium price when no one wants it yet. For those who are, what kind of discs do you use? I only see one inkjet printable out there (TDK) $19 each or are you using stick on labels (man I hope not)?

Taky Cheung · May 15th, 2008, 01:34 AM

I have done one so far for a paid client. Using Encore CS3 to author. very flaky. Luckily I got everything done and the client is very happy about it. He told me he will be using PS3 for playback.

Oh, I bought the LG burner for $340. I'm sure the price is little bit low now.

Where did you see the inkjet printable blank BD? Link?

Randy Johnson · May 15th, 2008, 02:04 AM

http://www.meritline.com/tdk-dvd-blu...printable.html

Ron Little · May 16th, 2008, 09:59 AM

Where are you getting your blue ray disk? And how much are you paying?

Dana Salsbury · May 21st, 2008, 11:23 PM

So it looks like TDK has printable Blu-Ray, and Imation is coming out with it soon. They are $18 each (on a spindle from the looks of it):
http://www.tapeonline.com/Blu-ray/TD...Printable.aspx

Falcon makes printable Blu-Ray for $15.49, but I've never heard of them:
http://www.discmakers.com/shop/ItemD...D=BDR010-00010

RiDATA's are non inkjet friendly, but are $10:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc..._-NA-_-NA-_-NA

I just can't deliver a wedding DVD without a proper label. Thoughts?

Kevin Shaw · May 22nd, 2008, 09:32 AM

I have some TDK BD-R discs which are inkjet printable with some TDK labeling across the middle, and I think they're the same as the ones at Tapeonline for $11.47. Not an ideal solution due to the TDK logo, but functional.

April 13th, 2008, 05:48 PM	#136
Ronald Lee Major Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 435	SD video (DV AVI) future proofed for Blu Ray? I have a question, with DV-AVI being captured from the DV tapes at SD quality (if shot in SD), when the Blueray format becomes the format to use, will we will be able to view our AVI's? (i.e. then we'll have HD screens and players, etc...). I don't know if it's possible/worth it to uprez all the footage, but will these be safe for a long time, even after blue ray?

April 22nd, 2008, 09:40 PM	#137
William Urschel Regular Crew Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bee Cave, Texas Posts: 151	1080 30p Incompatible with Blu Ray? Excuse me, this may not be entirely relavant to this board, but because of the excellent feedback I've received here about potential mis-information received elsewhere, I wonder if this is true? Someone on another forum just made the definite statement that "1080 30p is incompatible with Blu Ray". I don't have a Blu Ray burner yet, but will be getting one shortly. One of the reasons I purchased Prospect and then the EX-1 was to use 1080 30p. Am I barking up the wrong tree?

April 23rd, 2008, 12:54 AM	#138
Mike Barber Major Player Join Date: May 2006 Location: Toronto ON Canada Posts: 731	Get all the info on what is compatible from the horses mouth. __________________ Mike Barber "I'm laughing to stop myself from screaming."

April 23rd, 2008, 11:53 AM	#139
Jon Fairhurst Inner Circle Join Date: May 2006 Location: Camas, WA, USA Posts: 5,513	Blu-ray profile specification? Hi everybody, I'm authoring 50 and 60 Hz Blu-ray discs that will be used as part of an international standard. I want to make sure that the discs comply to the spec, and that I'm encoding for the highest possible quality. Does anybody know where I can download or buy the BD media spec? I don't need player or physical disc details. I just need to know the limits for encoding MPEG-4 AVC that will fit legally on the disc. Thanks! __________________ Jon Fairhurst

April 23rd, 2008, 03:39 PM	#141
Jon Fairhurst Inner Circle Join Date: May 2006 Location: Camas, WA, USA Posts: 5,513	Perfect! Thanks! Here's the direct link to the PDF: http://www.blu-raydisc.com/Assets/Do...tion-15496.pdf BTW, at NAB, Sony showed 1080p60 from a Blu-ray disc. I asked the person staffing the display what was new, but didn't get a knowledgeable answer. Looking at the spec, it's clear that 1080p24 is supported, but not 1080p60. Hopefully, 1080p60 will be supported with a future profile... Thanks again for the reference! __________________ Jon Fairhurst

April 23rd, 2008, 12:26 PM	#140
Christopher Lefchik Trustee Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: US Posts: 1,152	See Blu-ray Disc Public Specs. Looking at the PDF paper available from that link, the max video bitrate for any of the supported video codecs is 40Mbps. The max audio bitrate depends on the audio codec used. For LPCM it's 27.648Mbps, for Dolby Digital 640kbps, for Dolby Digital Plus 4.736Mbps, for Dolby Lossless 18.64Mbps, for DTS digital surround 1.524Mbps, and for DTS-HD 24.5Mbps.

April 24th, 2008, 12:10 AM	#142
Richard Leadbetter Major Player Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 323	There's nothing to stop you exporting 1080p30 as 1080i60, which certainly is BD compatible. Use two fields to create one progressive frame and the effect should be all but identical on the vast majority of capable displays. __________________ Company Website: Digital Foundry Ltd Video Games HD Blog: Digital Foundry@Eurogamer

May 1st, 2008, 07:38 AM	#143
Patrick Bower Regular Crew Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: London, England Posts: 126	Blu Ray 4x Anyone know when 4x re-writable Blu Ray discs will be available? Patrick

May 13th, 2008, 08:34 AM	#144
Shaun Conner Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Baton Rouge, LA Posts: 196	That's a great question. Maybe within the next few months since they have been producing burners with that capability for a few months.

May 14th, 2008, 05:40 PM	#145
Randy Johnson Trustee Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Newark, Delaware Posts: 1,067	Blue Ray Anyone out there delivering on blue-ray yet? I have pretty much everything I need except the actual burner I havent had much call for it and I cant see spending a premium price when no one wants it yet. For those who are, what kind of discs do you use? I only see one inkjet printable out there (TDK) $19 each or are you using stick on labels (man I hope not)?

May 15th, 2008, 01:34 AM	#146
Taky Cheung Inner Circle Join Date: May 2007 Location: Los Angeles, USA Posts: 2,114	I have done one so far for a paid client. Using Encore CS3 to author. very flaky. Luckily I got everything done and the client is very happy about it. He told me he will be using PS3 for playback. Oh, I bought the LG burner for $340. I'm sure the price is little bit low now. Where did you see the inkjet printable blank BD? Link? __________________ LA Color Pros Blog RODE Authorized Reseller . Comer LED Camera Lights . TakyBox HTML5 Menu Generator

May 15th, 2008, 02:04 AM	#147
Randy Johnson Trustee Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Newark, Delaware Posts: 1,067	http://www.meritline.com/tdk-dvd-blu...printable.html

May 16th, 2008, 09:59 AM	#148
Ron Little Major Player Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Pensacola Fl. Posts: 627	Where are you getting your blue ray disk? And how much are you paying?

May 21st, 2008, 11:23 PM	#149
Dana Salsbury Major Player Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 859	Inkjet Blu-Ray Media So it looks like TDK has printable Blu-Ray, and Imation is coming out with it soon. They are $18 each (on a spindle from the looks of it): http://www.tapeonline.com/Blu-ray/TD...Printable.aspx Falcon makes printable Blu-Ray for $15.49, but I've never heard of them: http://www.discmakers.com/shop/ItemD...D=BDR010-00010 RiDATA's are non inkjet friendly, but are $10: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc..._-NA-_-NA-_-NA I just can't deliver a wedding DVD without a proper label. Thoughts? __________________ www.LegacyHDV.com Weddings \| Corporate \| HMC150s \| FCPX \| Encore \| Lion

May 22nd, 2008, 09:32 AM	#150
Kevin Shaw Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 2,488	I have some TDK BD-R discs which are inkjet printable with some TDK labeling across the middle, and I think they're the same as the ones at Tapeonline for $11.47. Not an ideal solution due to the TDK logo, but functional.