Blue Ray Discs for Archiving mxf.mpg files etc. at DVinfo.net

Mike Ward · February 8th, 2008, 07:04 PM

Hi Guys,
I'm new here to DVI and perhaps this thread is misplaced,but i had to mention the fact that i recently purchesed a blue ray burner (LG GGW-H20L) €300 for my pc
(dell xps720 vista & dell 2407WFP 1920X1080 FLAT PANEL)
The installation was hassel free & the software included (Cyberlink bundle package) was very satisfactory considering price.there is even a small software program to test whether your setup will be able to handle blue ray for playback & burning. Anyhow i found that by burning a BLUE RAY DATA DISC (ie draging & droping files etc)i was able to put about 22Gbs of an asortment of video files(some of which i downloaded from this site)onto a single layer disc.the files played back flawlesley from the disc,as if they were playing from your hdd.
This may be for some of you worth looking into as a form for archiving & giving to your client,as i am only a hobby videographer,and there are problems if your client does not have br player etc.Any thoughts would be welcome.
Thanks for the use of this site as i 've found it great for gathering useful information on the PMW-EX!,which i hope to purchase soon--soon--soon--maby
P.S. some of these files playback on a ps3 ,just add a folder named 'video'

Zsolt Gordos · February 9th, 2008, 09:02 AM

Hi Mike,

this is good news. Actually what file types have you managed to play back with your PS3?
I have PS3 and so far only managed to play back .m2t files (burnt on DVD though)

Mike Ward · February 9th, 2008, 07:05 PM

Hey Zsolt,
So far i'm able to playback .m2t,wmv,avchd & some h264 video files.
As far as a data disc goes,i don't think it makes any difference if you are using dvd or bd or a memery stick as the ps3 reads the files off in the same manner.
It would be nice if sony added mxf playback to their next firmware update

Steve Shovlar · February 10th, 2008, 04:44 AM

I purchased the LG GGW-H20L last week and have been burning blu-ray disks with full chapter menues via Encore CS3.

Its easy once you know how to do it. But it took several days of researching and getting error messages on the PS3 before it all ran smoothly.

The burner is great and very good value.

The problem I had was in the transcoding. What started out a s a beautiful image from the EX1 was being ruined by the transcoding inside Encore CS3.

I didn't want the footage transcoded, so I had to sort a workaround. Still not 100% there yet but almost, and the results are mostly brilliant.

Problem is I am mac based for editing and there is no blu-ray solution, so I do all my work in FCP, then export out as a M2T, then copy over to the PC, import into Vegas or PP ( which works better because you can export directly into Encore) then make a blu-ray disk image, ( it sems to fail when buring directly to blu-ray) then open up Nero ( with blu-ray plugin) click the uDF tab, change from automatic to manual, change the file system version from 1.02 to UDF 2.5, and burn the image.

PS3 will then play it like a normal DVD, with full chapter menues. But its HD!

Still have to iron out which bit rates work the best, and haven't tried H.264 to compare to mpeg 2. I know file sizes will be smaller but with 25 Gb I haven't yet run into a problem with disk space.

Also I would highly recommend practising on re-writable Blu-ray, or you could end up with a lot of expensive coasters.

Mike Ward · February 10th, 2008, 06:43 AM

Hi steve,
Sounds like a lot of work to get where you want.
I'm a PC user & video is Hobby so bare with me
So i use Adobe pp2 for editing footage from my sony hdr-hc3 (great little cam) there is no way to burn a bd from this software directly so i'm importing my output .m2t files into the Cyberlink bundle package 7 burning a blue ray disc from there
But watching the playback from the bd disc (not a data disc)on playback there is some amount of small vibration or shimmering type of effect on the picture(interlacing maby?),whereas when i watch the playback of a file .m2t/mxf on wm player or vlc player the twither is gone.
I've only got burner last week so will take some time to try different approaches to end up with something approaching good quality footage
i'll also need a better software solution (with my limited budget)

Yea, i'm of course using re-writable Blu-ray dics as you say prices are still high
Also the picture quality playback is better on my PC than on my PS3
Cheers,

Steve Shovlar · February 10th, 2008, 06:52 AM

Being mac based I really don't know my way around either Vegas or PP very well, but they are all of similar ilke so not to difficult.

My wife owns the HC3 and its a great little camera. In fact my job today is to burn a blu-ray dvd with our HC3 footage. At the moment it is being rendered into a quicktime movie in FCP before being brought across to the PC for output. A real pain that the Mac can't do blu-ray. They are really behind the game with DVD studio 4 and its inability to do anything HD.

Paul Kellett · February 10th, 2008, 07:12 AM

Which Vegas are you all using ? Pro 8 can burn Blu-ray straight from the timeline.No menus though.

Steve Shovlar · February 10th, 2008, 07:28 AM

Yes have Vegas 8b but to me a dvd should have menues to give to the client. A straight put in and play dvd is not acceptable.

Piotr Wozniacki · February 10th, 2008, 07:35 AM

As discussed on the SCS Vegas forum, untill DVDA offers full BD authoring - the viable and not expensive method of delivering BDs with menues is have them burned to image with Vegas Pro 8.0b (including chapter marks), and then author/burn the m2ts file in the STREAM directory of said image to disk (either regular DVD or BD) with Ulead MovieFactory 6plus with HD pack (there are other apps doing the same, but I have been using MF with great results; what's important you can use eithher the MPG2 and AVCHD formats in Vegas, and just create chapters/menues without recompressing the main video file).

Steve Shovlar · February 10th, 2008, 10:17 AM

Blu-ray version of DVDA is coming. Heard it from the horses mouth, (well a Sony rep) who said you never heard this but...........NAB.

And you can burn from the Vegas timelinie, but not 1280 x 720p. Doesn't offer that option.

Carroll Lam · February 10th, 2008, 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Shovlar

Problem is I am mac based for editing and there is no blu-ray solution,

Well, actually there is a Blu-ray _data_ disk solution for the Mac. I'm using the OWC Mercury Pro 2x Blu-ray Panasonic SW-5582 External burner with my MacBook Pro along with Roxio's Toast 8 Titanium software to archive both source video from the EX1 and subsequent FCP edits.

Carroll Lam

Piotr Wozniacki · February 10th, 2008, 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Shovlar

Blu-ray version of DVDA is coming. Heard it from the horses mouth, (well a Sony rep) who said you never heard this but...........NAB.

And you can burn from the Vegas timelinie, but not 1280 x 720p. Doesn't offer that option.

It's coming for sure. As to 720p BD, you can define your own template!

Steve Shovlar · February 10th, 2008, 11:06 AM

True but what I meant was a solution to build proper blu-ray dvd with chapter menues for clients. Apple seem very slow off the mark and others have stolen a march. Which is a real pain considering they are happy to let you do all your work in HD, and then let us down at the final hurdle for delivery.

Brendan Pyatt · February 10th, 2008, 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Piotr Wozniacki

As discussed on the SCS Vegas forum, untill DVDA offers full BD authoring -

Hi Piotr,

What / where is the SCS vegas forum?

I had a search on google but couldnt find anything.

thanks.

Steve Shovlar · February 10th, 2008, 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Piotr Wozniacki

It's coming for sure. As to 720p BD, you can define your own template!

How? I am not too savvy with Vegas but can't see how I can do it. I have the timeline done, go to tools, burn disk, blu-ray disk, but there are no options to really alter other than what is on offer. No "custom setting".

February 8th, 2008, 07:04 PM	#1
Mike Ward New Boot Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Ireland Posts: 11	Blue Ray Discs for Archiving mxf.mpg files etc. Hi Guys, I'm new here to DVI and perhaps this thread is misplaced,but i had to mention the fact that i recently purchesed a blue ray burner (LG GGW-H20L) €300 for my pc (dell xps720 vista & dell 2407WFP 1920X1080 FLAT PANEL) The installation was hassel free & the software included (Cyberlink bundle package) was very satisfactory considering price.there is even a small software program to test whether your setup will be able to handle blue ray for playback & burning. Anyhow i found that by burning a BLUE RAY DATA DISC (ie draging & droping files etc)i was able to put about 22Gbs of an asortment of video files(some of which i downloaded from this site)onto a single layer disc.the files played back flawlesley from the disc,as if they were playing from your hdd. This may be for some of you worth looking into as a form for archiving & giving to your client,as i am only a hobby videographer,and there are problems if your client does not have br player etc.Any thoughts would be welcome. Thanks for the use of this site as i 've found it great for gathering useful information on the PMW-EX!,which i hope to purchase soon--soon--soon--maby P.S. some of these files playback on a ps3 ,just add a folder named 'video'

February 9th, 2008, 09:02 AM	#2
Zsolt Gordos Major Player Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Budapest, Hungary Posts: 414	Hi Mike, this is good news. Actually what file types have you managed to play back with your PS3? I have PS3 and so far only managed to play back .m2t files (burnt on DVD though) __________________ Sony XDCAM EX1r, Canon 5DMkII, Røde NTG2, Røde NT1000, Røde Stereo Videomic, Sachtler DV6 SB on Gitzo 1325V, Steadicam Merlin, Omnitracker, Hackintosh 3.5Ghz Quad 8Gb RAM

February 9th, 2008, 07:05 PM	#3
Mike Ward New Boot Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Ireland Posts: 11	Tourist Hey Zsolt, So far i'm able to playback .m2t,wmv,avchd & some h264 video files. As far as a data disc goes,i don't think it makes any difference if you are using dvd or bd or a memery stick as the ps3 reads the files off in the same manner. It would be nice if sony added mxf playback to their next firmware update

February 10th, 2008, 06:43 AM	#5
Mike Ward New Boot Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Ireland Posts: 11	Blue Ray Discs for Archiving mxf.mpg files etc. Hi steve, Sounds like a lot of work to get where you want. I'm a PC user & video is Hobby so bare with me So i use Adobe pp2 for editing footage from my sony hdr-hc3 (great little cam) there is no way to burn a bd from this software directly so i'm importing my output .m2t files into the Cyberlink bundle package 7 burning a blue ray disc from there But watching the playback from the bd disc (not a data disc)on playback there is some amount of small vibration or shimmering type of effect on the picture(interlacing maby?),whereas when i watch the playback of a file .m2t/mxf on wm player or vlc player the twither is gone. I've only got burner last week so will take some time to try different approaches to end up with something approaching good quality footage i'll also need a better software solution (with my limited budget) Yea, i'm of course using re-writable Blu-ray dics as you say prices are still high Also the picture quality playback is better on my PC than on my PS3 Cheers,

February 10th, 2008, 07:12 AM	#7
Paul Kellett Trustee Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Bristol UK Posts: 1,273	Which Vegas are you all using ? Pro 8 can burn Blu-ray straight from the timeline.No menus though. __________________ Round 2 GH5,FZ2000

February 10th, 2008, 04:44 AM	#4
Steve Shovlar Major Player Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Dorset UK Posts: 697	I purchased the LG GGW-H20L last week and have been burning blu-ray disks with full chapter menues via Encore CS3. Its easy once you know how to do it. But it took several days of researching and getting error messages on the PS3 before it all ran smoothly. The burner is great and very good value. The problem I had was in the transcoding. What started out a s a beautiful image from the EX1 was being ruined by the transcoding inside Encore CS3. I didn't want the footage transcoded, so I had to sort a workaround. Still not 100% there yet but almost, and the results are mostly brilliant. Problem is I am mac based for editing and there is no blu-ray solution, so I do all my work in FCP, then export out as a M2T, then copy over to the PC, import into Vegas or PP ( which works better because you can export directly into Encore) then make a blu-ray disk image, ( it sems to fail when buring directly to blu-ray) then open up Nero ( with blu-ray plugin) click the uDF tab, change from automatic to manual, change the file system version from 1.02 to UDF 2.5, and burn the image. PS3 will then play it like a normal DVD, with full chapter menues. But its HD! Still have to iron out which bit rates work the best, and haven't tried H.264 to compare to mpeg 2. I know file sizes will be smaller but with 25 Gb I haven't yet run into a problem with disk space. Also I would highly recommend practising on re-writable Blu-ray, or you could end up with a lot of expensive coasters.

February 10th, 2008, 06:52 AM	#6
Steve Shovlar Major Player Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Dorset UK Posts: 697	Being mac based I really don't know my way around either Vegas or PP very well, but they are all of similar ilke so not to difficult. My wife owns the HC3 and its a great little camera. In fact my job today is to burn a blu-ray dvd with our HC3 footage. At the moment it is being rendered into a quicktime movie in FCP before being brought across to the PC for output. A real pain that the Mac can't do blu-ray. They are really behind the game with DVD studio 4 and its inability to do anything HD.

February 10th, 2008, 07:28 AM	#8
Steve Shovlar Major Player Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Dorset UK Posts: 697	Yes have Vegas 8b but to me a dvd should have menues to give to the client. A straight put in and play dvd is not acceptable.

February 10th, 2008, 07:35 AM	#9
Piotr Wozniacki Inner Circle Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Poland Posts: 4,086	As discussed on the SCS Vegas forum, untill DVDA offers full BD authoring - the viable and not expensive method of delivering BDs with menues is have them burned to image with Vegas Pro 8.0b (including chapter marks), and then author/burn the m2ts file in the STREAM directory of said image to disk (either regular DVD or BD) with Ulead MovieFactory 6plus with HD pack (there are other apps doing the same, but I have been using MF with great results; what's important you can use eithher the MPG2 and AVCHD formats in Vegas, and just create chapters/menues without recompressing the main video file). __________________ Sony PXW-FS7 \| DaVinci Resolve Studio; Magix Vegas Pro; i7-5960X CPU; 64 GB RAM; 2x GTX 1080 8GB GPU; Decklink 4K Extreme 12G; 4x 3TB WD Black in RAID 0; 1TB M.2 NVMe cache drive Last edited by Piotr Wozniacki; February 10th, 2008 at 09:15 AM.

February 10th, 2008, 10:17 AM	#10
Steve Shovlar Major Player Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Dorset UK Posts: 697	Blu-ray version of DVDA is coming. Heard it from the horses mouth, (well a Sony rep) who said you never heard this but...........NAB. And you can burn from the Vegas timelinie, but not 1280 x 720p. Doesn't offer that option.

February 10th, 2008, 11:06 AM	#13
Steve Shovlar Major Player Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Dorset UK Posts: 697	True but what I meant was a solution to build proper blu-ray dvd with chapter menues for clients. Apple seem very slow off the mark and others have stolen a march. Which is a real pain considering they are happy to let you do all your work in HD, and then let us down at the final hurdle for delivery.