Bmpcc sold at 50% discount, is it still worth buying?

Noa Put · June 7th, 2015, 12:38 AM

Thx :) Chris, would I not loose the easy grading ability with Cineform raw? When I colorcorrect the raw dng's in aftereffects with adobe raw it takes just one click on "auto" to have a good starting point to tweak the image further, it only takes time because you need to correct every single shot in that way and not to mention the very long render times to get a editable file. I have seen that edius will be getting raw support in coming updates but I doubt it will have the same color correction tools like adobe raw has.

Chris Barcellos · June 7th, 2015, 09:35 PM

Noa:

Cineform Raw, like other raw codecs, is designed to preserve the raw benefits of latitude, etc.. With Cineform, after conversion, you can go into Studio and apply a base color correction that essentially carries over in the original file. You can choose a lut, as well as input and output settings, add sharpness and contrast, etc, And, with the original file on a time line in your editor, you can go back to studio, make a further change, or just return the file to its original settings, and it will instantly change in the editor.

On other hand, you can also download and use Davinci Resolve Lite from Black Magic, which is a high end color correction tool.

Noa Put · June 8th, 2015, 01:24 AM

Thx, I tried resolve but it looks to complicated for my use, I do have gopro studio though and will experiment with the cineform raw to see if that works better.

Chris Barcellos · June 9th, 2015, 12:02 PM

Yeah, I agree with the complicated part of Resolve, but I think things will become a bit more familiar in the next version.

I just got an email from Raw4Pro which explains that it now has the Cineform codec free:

"We have received a number of inquiries from people who don't quite believe that RAW 4 PRO v4.4.1 comes with completely FREE CineformRAW.

This is understandable, given the fact that CineformRAW was selling for about $500 for some years.
However it's true - you can get it completely free (no additional charge) with RAW 4 PRO now. We tested CineformRAW output up to 4K.

This is in addition to ProRes on Windows, H264, and DNxHD outputs.
RAW 4 PRO accepts compressed or uncompressed DNG input, as well as JPG timelapse folders. All Blackmagic cameras supported. Odyssey 7Q RAW DNG supported. Reads and syncs D16's AIF audio."

FYI, I was involved in testing early on, but I have no financial interest in Raw4Pro.

Jim Andrada · June 10th, 2015, 02:38 PM

I think (hope) Chris is right. What puts me off about Resolve is that it doesn't act like a normal PC program - you have to preset the directory you'll use and you can't add clips to the directory while the program is open (you can add them but it won't see them.) It only runs full screen, you can't minimize it (have to completely close it) etc. The actual operation of the program isn't so confusing, just the logistics around getting it running and aiming it at your media. It still smells like a stand alone workstation app, which it was.

June 7th, 2015, 12:38 AM	#91
Noa Put Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Posts: 9,510	Re: Bmpcc sold at 50% discount, is it still worth buying? Thx :) Chris, would I not loose the easy grading ability with Cineform raw? When I colorcorrect the raw dng's in aftereffects with adobe raw it takes just one click on "auto" to have a good starting point to tweak the image further, it only takes time because you need to correct every single shot in that way and not to mention the very long render times to get a editable file. I have seen that edius will be getting raw support in coming updates but I doubt it will have the same color correction tools like adobe raw has.

June 7th, 2015, 09:35 PM	#92
Chris Barcellos Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Elk Grove CA Posts: 6,838	Re: Bmpcc sold at 50% discount, is it still worth buying? Noa: Cineform Raw, like other raw codecs, is designed to preserve the raw benefits of latitude, etc.. With Cineform, after conversion, you can go into Studio and apply a base color correction that essentially carries over in the original file. You can choose a lut, as well as input and output settings, add sharpness and contrast, etc, And, with the original file on a time line in your editor, you can go back to studio, make a further change, or just return the file to its original settings, and it will instantly change in the editor. On other hand, you can also download and use Davinci Resolve Lite from Black Magic, which is a high end color correction tool. __________________ Chris J. Barcellos

June 8th, 2015, 01:24 AM	#93
Noa Put Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Posts: 9,510	Re: Bmpcc sold at 50% discount, is it still worth buying? Thx, I tried resolve but it looks to complicated for my use, I do have gopro studio though and will experiment with the cineform raw to see if that works better.

June 9th, 2015, 12:02 PM	#94
Chris Barcellos Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Elk Grove CA Posts: 6,838	Re: Bmpcc sold at 50% discount, is it still worth buying? Yeah, I agree with the complicated part of Resolve, but I think things will become a bit more familiar in the next version. I just got an email from Raw4Pro which explains that it now has the Cineform codec free: "We have received a number of inquiries from people who don't quite believe that RAW 4 PRO v4.4.1 comes with completely FREE CineformRAW. This is understandable, given the fact that CineformRAW was selling for about $500 for some years. However it's true - you can get it completely free (no additional charge) with RAW 4 PRO now. We tested CineformRAW output up to 4K. This is in addition to ProRes on Windows, H264, and DNxHD outputs. RAW 4 PRO accepts compressed or uncompressed DNG input, as well as JPG timelapse folders. All Blackmagic cameras supported. Odyssey 7Q RAW DNG supported. Reads and syncs D16's AIF audio." FYI, I was involved in testing early on, but I have no financial interest in Raw4Pro. __________________ Chris J. Barcellos

June 10th, 2015, 02:38 PM	#95
Jim Andrada Inner Circle Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Tucson AZ Posts: 2,211	Re: Bmpcc sold at 50% discount, is it still worth buying? I think (hope) Chris is right. What puts me off about Resolve is that it doesn't act like a normal PC program - you have to preset the directory you'll use and you can't add clips to the directory while the program is open (you can add them but it won't see them.) It only runs full screen, you can't minimize it (have to completely close it) etc. The actual operation of the program isn't so confusing, just the logistics around getting it running and aiming it at your media. It still smells like a stand alone workstation app, which it was.