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August 2nd, 2013, 02:29 AM | #1 | |
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Black Magic 2.5K cameras now for under $2000.
Here's an email that I and many people received today. Sorry if it was already posted.
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August 2nd, 2013, 02:53 AM | #2 |
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Re: Black Magic 2.5K cameras now for under $2000.
I wonder if all the negative buzz surrounding them about their delivery issues made them take this step, maybe the 5dIII raw functionality did it and not sure if existing owners will be cheering, but it needs to be said, at that pricepoint and with those specs it puts every camera manufacturer out there to shame. I think people should stop complaining about having to wait for this camera, it's worth the wait, I mean, there are handicams that cost more...
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August 2nd, 2013, 05:15 AM | #3 |
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Re: Black Magic 2.5K cameras now for under $2000.
I got the same email this morning and I think they just pushed me over the edge with that price point.
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August 2nd, 2013, 11:38 AM | #4 |
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Blackmagic Cinema Camera Price Drop
We just updated the pricing of the Blackmagic Cinema Camera on the Texas Media Systems website:
Blackmagic Cinema Camera MFT-Mount - BMD-CINECAM26KMFT $1995 at Texas Media Systems Blackmagic Cinema Camera EF-Mount - BMD-CINECAM26KEF $1995 at Texas Media Systems |
August 2nd, 2013, 03:34 PM | #5 |
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Re: Black Magic 2.5K cameras now for under $2000.
@Terry Nixon - you show both the EF and M43 in stock, is that accurate? I may dump my pocket cam order and get the Cinema cam...
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August 2nd, 2013, 03:38 PM | #6 |
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Re: Black Magic 2.5K cameras now for under $2000.
Maybe they will drop the price on those ridiculous accessories, like the camera handle for a $195 bucks.
A friggin bent handlebar. |
August 2nd, 2013, 03:54 PM | #7 |
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Re: Black Magic 2.5K cameras now for under $2000.
I/m going to buy the cam for $2k and make a doc about all the pissed off previous customers. :-)
all I can say is boo hoo. Only lost $1k>? I bought Topaz 3D animation software for $15k when it came out in the mid 80's. It ran on Dos. I had to buy a $9500 Vista card, a new computer, a $500 frame accurate controller card for my $30k Betacam recorder to do simple animations. Today you can get free 3Danimation software of high quality, like Blender, and a $300 computer at Micro Center and render out stuff in an hour to 1TB hard drives that cost $60 each. I used to render stuff over night for 24 hours back then. boo hoo to all the kids today losing only $1k. How much do they make on one job with that camera? If not more than $1k, then they are definitely not professionals. Ok, how about one week to earn $1k? Two weeks working at McDonalds ?? LOL . Alex |
August 2nd, 2013, 04:13 PM | #8 |
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Re: Black Magic 2.5K cameras now for under $2000.
Good points.
Consumers should never complain about lower prices - even when they paid higher prices earlier. That said, it's valid to ask the seller/mfg if they have a recent-purchase policy. Sometimes, mainly on directly-purchased software, you can get a free upgrade when the new version comes out shortly after your purchase of the obsolete version. If you paid the higher price yesterday, it doesn't hurt to ask for a rebate - if not a full refund, if you're still within the return window.
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August 2nd, 2013, 07:39 PM | #9 |
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Re: Black Magic 2.5K cameras now for under $2000.
Bill the BM Cinema Camera still come with Resolve at the $1995 price point?
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August 2nd, 2013, 11:33 PM | #10 |
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I cancelled my order for the BMPCC and obtained a complete refund a few hours before I received the email from Grant Petty. The two events were in no way connected nevertheless I believe I was doubly fortunate, if you will. The reason I cancelled my order for the BMPCC was after giving serious if not speedy consideration to the matter I concluded that not having seen any footage that remotely corresponds to my intended usage and knowing the footage would be softer based on statements from Grant Petty himself I though why am I doing this! How dumb is that?
Noa Put said he thought it was pretty dumb if not in so many words. He was correct, I’m thinking. And of course as usual there was delay upon delay, for which in retrospect I guess I am grateful, sort of. Never thought I’d think that. So what now? The lovely footage shot by Andrew Julian in particular his ‘Drive Through Snow Canyon with the Blackmagic Cinema Camera’ was what initially got me going down the BMCC path and after seeing that, and more to be honest, I ordered one. But when the sexy little BMPCC came along promising more or less the same I cancelled the BMCC and ordered the pocket cam and paid a deposit. So now I shall take a deep breath, smilingly, let the dust settle, and then wait a while. Reminds me of the story of the old bull and his young son. They were standing up near the top of a hill and they spied a herd of young cows down below in the valley. ‘Hey Dad’ said the young bull, ‘let’s race off down there and mate with one of those cows, eh’. The old bull took another chew on his cud, smiled, nonchalantly passed wind, and said ‘Son, how about we just stroll down there nice and slow-like and mate with them all’. I just might be following in the footsteps of the old bull, so to speak, as the price is certainly moving in the right direction, and it isn’t over yet, I reckon. What’s the rush! It’s not as if I have revenue generating projects chafing at the bit. And by-the-way, I’m having second thoughts about 13 stops of dynamic range, the cinematic look and all that bull, but that’s another post altogether. |
August 4th, 2013, 03:06 AM | #11 |
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Re: Black Magic 2.5K cameras now for under $2000.
Can anyone chime in on real world shooting cost with this and the pocket cam? I realize lenses are all over the place on that respect but what else would one need to have a simple (ENG) shooting kit? Viewfinder? Media? Batteries? External audio recorder? What doesnt it come with that it needs, and how much do those things cost, other words?
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August 4th, 2013, 08:16 AM | #12 |
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I guess it depends on the kind of ENG work you do. I'll start with a story.
I was shooting a press conference with my Sony EX1. After it finished I started to break down. My assistant, on the other hand, ran after the subject with his Canon Vixia and shot the subject being interviewed by a major daily reporter. I had the same video everyone else had. He was the lone shooter. Guess which video got used? The Vixia. For ENG work the shallower depth of field of large sensor cameras may not be critical and good zooms can be very pricey. That said the Pocket camera seems to have some advantages. As per my story, smaller and more mobile has advantages. When it comes to "unexpected" news, the camera you have with you also has more advantages. I can carry the Pocket camera around without being encumbered. Another key is the Pocket camera has a removable battery. While it may only last about an hour, I'm already seeing prices of about $15/ea for the battery. It's easier to carry a few of those than a big heavy external batter for the Cinema camera. The Pocket camera battery is similar to those found in some DSLRs (Nikons?) so they're going to be readily available if you need to grab one locally, While the SSD recording media of the Cinema Camera will hold more than the Pocket's SDXC which currently top at at 128GB but SDXC and SDHC are readily available so if you're backed into needing more you can get one. It seems much of the rest of the gear is similar in that one would need a cage, external audio inputs, monitor in many cases. I don't think there's much of a cost difference there. Another noteworthy difference is that I believe the BMPCC MTF is Active which might help with some lens options. One thing to consider is that the prices on these cameras are so low, getting one of each isn't out of the question. After all, you can get the BMCC and BMPCC for a combined $3K. Or maybe you'll want the 4K and the BMPCC for a combined $5K Gear prices are a bit all over the place (and BMPCC gear market is still under development) so it really depends... on what you find your common ENG circumstances to be. Press Conferences? Interviews in the field? Run & Gun action? My own experiences has me lean towards mobility. Of course both can have a shoulder rig but I'm going to bet I'm always going to have room for a Pocket and won't always have room or time to assemble an erector set rig. |
August 4th, 2013, 12:52 PM | #13 |
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Re: Black Magic 2.5K cameras now for under $2000.
Does this suggest a price drop of the 4k camera to $2,995 after the initial orders are filled? I have one on order but I'm thinking of cancelling it. Cameras depreciate quickly enough without the manufacturer's help.
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August 4th, 2013, 01:41 PM | #14 |
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Thanks. I looked at a review of the Cinema Cam after I posted this and saw that cost aside, it probably wasn't for me.
I do a mix of more typical talking head interviews, runnin' around getting b-roll, shooting lectures/seminars, maybe other stuff occasionally. The review emphasized it really wasn't meant for anything other than formal production environments (at least in that author's opinion). |
August 4th, 2013, 01:48 PM | #15 |
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Alex was just giving an example of how gear prices can fall in the industry - based on personal experience.
I still remember seeing a million dollar audio sampler at an NAB long ago. It was amazing. You could play footsteps on a keyboard for Foley. Now, you can play a whole Orchestra on a laptop with $149 software. It might feel bad when prices fall just after you purchase, but it means that your next purchase will have that much more value.
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