Unhappy about new Star Trek movie

Josh Bass · May 7th, 2006, 08:56 AM

Let me put it this way-- I could turn on Voyager, or TNG, and get into it, pretty much any episode. You try to do that with DS9, you're pretty much lost without knowing everything that came before that particular episode. That's what I meant.

Michael Wisniewski · May 7th, 2006, 09:43 AM

Shoot there's enough Star Trek fans around here to shoot a half way decent movie, and star in it as well.

Joe, that Section 31 idea is brilliant, you can dip into the Star Trek world without ever messing it up. And it's a lot more sophisticated than the traditional time travel "oh hey it's fixed now" plot.

Keith Loh · May 7th, 2006, 10:44 AM

Joe isn't the only person to suggest a Section 31-themed show. That idea has been kicked around every Star Trek board since the end of DS9. You can bet it's been pitched by writers.

Lorinda Norton · May 7th, 2006, 11:06 PM

I fell asleep in the theatre during "Nemesis," but that doesn't mean I won't go see another crappy Trek movie. It's what Trek fans do. Besides, the worst Trek movie (The Final Frontier) beats that Star Wars stuff all to pieces. ;)

All of them--series and movies--had their good points (although, I did give up on Enterprise). I laughed at TOS as a kid, but then when my own kid got into it I got into it, too. I bet I've seen "The Tholian Web" and "The Doomsday Machine" a hundred times. Each.

With all of Star Trek, the attention to technical details astounded me (ever looked at ship schematics and the ST encyclopedia?). And I credit ST with helping my son have a great vocabulary at an early age!

They've all been good entertainment through the years, so I'll check out anything that comes along.

p.s. Edward, if you haven't seen it yet, be sure and catch the rerun of Boston Legal where Denny & Alan go to save the salmon. There's a great Trek reference! And btw, we've got the tri-dimensional chess set from "the mint" people, too! LOL!

Joe Carney · May 7th, 2006, 11:28 PM

Micheal, Keith, just what are we waiting for? We don't actually need Paromounts permission to do an original work based on Section 31. I know Keith has the writing chops to create a great script.
Finally use Celtx for what it's designed for, hehehe.

What say? Any other takers?

Josh Bass · May 7th, 2006, 11:29 PM

Sorry, I just watch it. I don't write it. But thanks for the invite. Be sure to include a race of all female, always-nude aliens.

Joe Carney · May 7th, 2006, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Josh Bass

P.S. I met Brent Spiner once. I won't tell you where. He was cool, but I get the impression he's an ass in real life. Mostly 'cause of the documenatry "Trekkies."

He wasn't that nice a person at the Trek convention. Sarcastic and condecending. Maybe he's just tired ot the whole 'Data' thing.

Joe Carney · May 7th, 2006, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Josh Bass

Sorry, I just watch it. I don't write it. But thanks for the invite. Be sure to include a race of all female, always-nude aliens.

You mean include lots and lots of Orion slave girls? Hmmmm, not a bad idea, but would probably distract from the story.

Josh Bass · May 8th, 2006, 01:06 AM

I thought he was pretty cool there.

I just get that impression of him.

I hope he's not tired of the whole data thing. What else does he have? Playing the guy who made data? Oh no wait, he's also got the role of the villain in "Master of Disguise" to brag about.

Frank Granovski · May 8th, 2006, 04:09 AM

You know, the worst episode of Enterprise had to be the very last. They should have given it a glorious ending such as the ones with DS9 and Voyager---a deserving last nail in the Enterprise coffin.

Rob Lohman · May 8th, 2006, 04:26 AM

Coun't me in Joe!

The Enterprise ending was definitely the worst, but I wasn't too fond of the
Voyager ending either. I felt cheated and it ended too soon in my opinion.
Felt like they were trying to end up some loose ties too fast in the last couple
of episodes.

Just re-saw the TNG ending which I liked better. Need to re-watch DS9, can't
remember how that ended (NO, do NOT tell me!) exactly. Perhaps I can rent
the show or something.

Daniel J. Wojcik · May 8th, 2006, 06:05 AM

Voyager should have ended with Janeway waking up in bed. Then Patrick Duffy walks out of the shower.

It was all a dream...

Josh Bass · May 8th, 2006, 07:24 AM

How'd enterprise end, again?

Rob Lohman · May 8th, 2006, 10:05 AM

Josh: in the future with Riker and Troi (I think) watching events unfold on the holodeck

George Ellis · May 8th, 2006, 10:11 AM

Just random comments...

Is the next movie an odd or even? If it is 10, see it. Or was Nemesis 10 and ruins the whole odd/even Trek theory? (the even numbered ones are the good ones.)

"the acting was poor". You guys have been behind the lens long enough to know that only with new talent do you have bad acting. Experienced talent can act badly (phone it in), but it is the director's fault if it makes it to the screen. The director is the one who allows any acting to be bad.

Hopefully, remembering their roots, the Wagon Train through the sky still has life in it. Caveat - NO, Brokeback Mountain is not acceptable Trek material.

I liked them all. Enterprise, I watched the first season. But the formula is so well worn, that it gets boring when you can predict the rest of the episode accurately within the first 5 minutes. I quit watching.

Edit - Oh, forgot script props they will use in the next movie.

I know the Kobayoshi Marua (or how ever you spell it) and the aquarium/whale instititute in SFO will be referenced.

May 7th, 2006, 08:56 AM	#61
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	Let me put it this way-- I could turn on Voyager, or TNG, and get into it, pretty much any episode. You try to do that with DS9, you're pretty much lost without knowing everything that came before that particular episode. That's what I meant. __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB

May 7th, 2006, 09:43 AM	#62
Michael Wisniewski Wrangler Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Makati, Metro Manila Posts: 2,706 Images: 32	Shoot there's enough Star Trek fans around here to shoot a half way decent movie, and star in it as well. Joe, that Section 31 idea is brilliant, you can dip into the Star Trek world without ever messing it up. And it's a lot more sophisticated than the traditional time travel "oh hey it's fixed now" plot. __________________ "Ultimately, the most extraordinary thing, in a frame, is a human being." - Martin Scorsese

May 7th, 2006, 10:44 AM	#63
Keith Loh Air China Pilot Join Date: May 2002 Location: Vancouver, B.C. Posts: 2,389	Joe isn't the only person to suggest a Section 31-themed show. That idea has been kicked around every Star Trek board since the end of DS9. You can bet it's been pitched by writers. __________________ -- Visit http://www.KeithLoh.com \| stuff about living in Vancouver \| My Flickr photo gallery

May 7th, 2006, 11:06 PM	#64
Lorinda Norton Wrangler Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Southwest Idaho, USA Posts: 3,066	I fell asleep in the theatre during "Nemesis," but that doesn't mean I won't go see another crappy Trek movie. It's what Trek fans do. Besides, the worst Trek movie (The Final Frontier) beats that Star Wars stuff all to pieces. ;) All of them--series and movies--had their good points (although, I did give up on Enterprise). I laughed at TOS as a kid, but then when my own kid got into it I got into it, too. I bet I've seen "The Tholian Web" and "The Doomsday Machine" a hundred times. Each. With all of Star Trek, the attention to technical details astounded me (ever looked at ship schematics and the ST encyclopedia?). And I credit ST with helping my son have a great vocabulary at an early age! They've all been good entertainment through the years, so I'll check out anything that comes along. p.s. Edward, if you haven't seen it yet, be sure and catch the rerun of Boston Legal where Denny & Alan go to save the salmon. There's a great Trek reference! And btw, we've got the tri-dimensional chess set from "the mint" people, too! LOL! __________________ Lorinda

May 7th, 2006, 11:28 PM	#65
Joe Carney Inner Circle Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Centreville Va Posts: 1,828	Micheal, Keith, just what are we waiting for? We don't actually need Paromounts permission to do an original work based on Section 31. I know Keith has the writing chops to create a great script. Finally use Celtx for what it's designed for, hehehe. What say? Any other takers? __________________ Boycott Guinness, bring back the pint!!!

May 7th, 2006, 11:29 PM	#66
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	Sorry, I just watch it. I don't write it. But thanks for the invite. Be sure to include a race of all female, always-nude aliens. __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB

May 8th, 2006, 01:06 AM	#69
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	I thought he was pretty cool there. I just get that impression of him. I hope he's not tired of the whole data thing. What else does he have? Playing the guy who made data? Oh no wait, he's also got the role of the villain in "Master of Disguise" to brag about. __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB

May 8th, 2006, 04:09 AM	#70
Frank Granovski Outer Circle Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hope, BC Posts: 7,524	You know, the worst episode of Enterprise had to be the very last. They should have given it a glorious ending such as the ones with DS9 and Voyager---a deserving last nail in the Enterprise coffin.

May 8th, 2006, 04:26 AM	#71
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Coun't me in Joe! The Enterprise ending was definitely the worst, but I wasn't too fond of the Voyager ending either. I felt cheated and it ended too soon in my opinion. Felt like they were trying to end up some loose ties too fast in the last couple of episodes. Just re-saw the TNG ending which I liked better. Need to re-watch DS9, can't remember how that ended (NO, do NOT tell me!) exactly. Perhaps I can rent the show or something. __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

May 8th, 2006, 06:05 AM	#72
Daniel J. Wojcik Regular Crew Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Kempner, Texas Posts: 70	Voyager should have ended with Janeway waking up in bed. Then Patrick Duffy walks out of the shower. It was all a dream...

May 8th, 2006, 07:24 AM	#73
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	How'd enterprise end, again? __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB

May 8th, 2006, 10:05 AM	#74
Rob Lohman RED Code Chef Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Holland Posts: 12,514	Josh: in the future with Riker and Troi (I think) watching events unfold on the holodeck __________________ Rob Lohman, visuar@iname.com DV Info Wrangler & RED Code Chef Join the DV Challenge \| Lady X Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| Buy from the best: DVinfo.net sponsors

May 8th, 2006, 10:11 AM	#75
George Ellis Trustee Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Suwanee, GA Posts: 1,241	Just random comments... Is the next movie an odd or even? If it is 10, see it. Or was Nemesis 10 and ruins the whole odd/even Trek theory? (the even numbered ones are the good ones.) "the acting was poor". You guys have been behind the lens long enough to know that only with new talent do you have bad acting. Experienced talent can act badly (phone it in), but it is the director's fault if it makes it to the screen. The director is the one who allows any acting to be bad. Hopefully, remembering their roots, the Wagon Train through the sky still has life in it. Caveat - NO, Brokeback Mountain is not acceptable Trek material. I liked them all. Enterprise, I watched the first season. But the formula is so well worn, that it gets boring when you can predict the rest of the episode accurately within the first 5 minutes. I quit watching. Edit - Oh, forgot script props they will use in the next movie. I know the Kobayoshi Marua (or how ever you spell it) and the aquarium/whale instititute in SFO will be referenced.