Open Water film shot on...?

Luis Caffesse · July 5th, 2004, 01:38 PM

I know numerous filmmakers who had the cost of marketing subtracted from the purchase price of the film. It is quite common. So, although the studio 'technically' covers the marketing, the cost is often times taken from the purchase price.
I didn't mean to make it sound as if the filmmakers were actually responsible for the marketing of their own films, just the cost.

So, a studio will say they bought a film for 5 million, but will spend much of that money on the marketing of the film.

I'm not saying it's like that all the time, that's why I was asking about Open Water. I'm glad to hear that it wasn't the case this time.

And, as far as Aranofsky goes, I"m not trying to say the guy got a bum deal. He did go on to make other films, and he's been rewarded handsomely for those. But, it's my understanding from people who know him personally that he did not see much monetary gain from PI (not to say that he didn't gain a hell of a career from it).

But, you're right, it's all about having a good lawyer.

-Luis

Heath McKnight · July 5th, 2004, 02:26 PM

They wouldn't say, but some reports put it at around $300,000. But who knows for sure?

heath

Bryan Mitchell · July 6th, 2004, 06:49 PM

What cost them that much money? I can't see anything in there from the trailer.

Hugh DiMauro · August 30th, 2004, 01:37 PM

Just saw it last night. What a 35 mm transfer! Didn't look bad at all for a blowup from mini dv Sony PD 150 and VX 2000.

Dylan Couper · August 30th, 2004, 06:10 PM

was it scary?

Richard Alvarez · August 30th, 2004, 06:32 PM

Heck, as an open water diver myself... the concept is TERRIFYING. I have come up and not seen the boat before... and the pucker factor is unbeliveable. Turns out it was hidden by swells. Still, scary as hell.

I plan on seeing the movie, but the previews I saw looked awful, in terms of transfer quality. Is the film better than the transfers?

Dylan Couper · August 30th, 2004, 10:36 PM

After Jaws when I was a kid, I can just now go back into kiddie pools. I think I'll pass on the extra water terror.

Keith Loh · August 30th, 2004, 10:48 PM

What. We're not seeing Anacondas?

But I met the writer. I feel I owe it to him.

Matt Elias · August 31st, 2004, 05:35 PM

I look forward to seeing it, been hearing a lot about it for quite some time. A family friend who dives says that these things happen!

Shawn Mielke · August 31st, 2004, 07:32 PM

Is it thought provoking, or exploitational like Jaws?

Jesse Bekas · August 31st, 2004, 09:08 PM

It's not really thought provoking or exploitational. It's more like a "realisitic" character study in fear...and a lame one at that. I'm all for independent, and low budget films, but this one got bought because Lion's Gate knew if they could say "Blair Witch" and "Jaws" in the same tag line they'd make money.

If you think being a diver will the make the film more relatable and frightening, you're wrong. There's virtually no suspense buildup. The act of being left behind is initially terrifyng, but loses it's scariness because the content (talking heads bickering) and pacing are so weak. The boat leaves them, they wait for it to return, and then they argue about for 96 minutes (running time) while floating around (not literally, but you get my point). Then there are a bunch of plot holes. When the ending's coming you can feel it, and are saying to yourself, "if the credits come up in a second, I'm going to be PISSED!", and then they do...

I saw a lot of stair stepping in high contrast regions, and because of the huge amount of time at sea, without polarizers, there were a ton of blowouts. I almost felt like I was at the beach and needed polarized sunglasses. If that was the effect they were going for, then they achieved it, but it was really annoying.

I'm sure pelnty of people will disagree with everything I just said, so remember before replying that I'm just stating my opinion on the film. I'm certainly not claiming it's doctrine.

Shawn Mielke · August 31st, 2004, 11:49 PM

Blair Witch meets Jaws, that is exactly what it looked and felt like upon viewing the trailer. And in the wake of reality tv shows. Hmmm...TTFN.

Jesse Bekas · September 1st, 2004, 01:38 AM

Although "Blair Witch" meets "Jaws" is a good tagline, the movie wasn't anywhere close for me...

Dylan Couper · September 1st, 2004, 10:29 AM

I'll take a spoiler on how it ends if you don't mind. I'm not going to see it. Not because it sounds that scary, just because it doesn't sound like it's worth my $10.

Jesse Bekas · September 1st, 2004, 11:58 AM

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The couple makes it through the day, but both have been bitten on their calves. The woman not as badly as the man. The night is "stormy" (complete blackness while they say things are touching them, accept when you hear thunder and then see flashes of daylight footage of them floating and sharks splashing). The morning comes, the boat captain realizes he left the couple and rallies troops for a search. The woman wakes up (who would sleep through those conditions?) to find her husband/boyfriend is dead. She lets go of his body, which floats away and gets pulled under and presumably eaten (why the sharks wouldn't have done it 12 hours earlier, or how he actually died is beyond me). The woman is alone and sees more active sharks. She takes off her gear and lets herself sink...credits roll.

Writing it actually made it sound all right, but it defintely isn't.

July 5th, 2004, 02:26 PM	#47
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August 30th, 2004, 01:37 PM	#49
Hugh DiMauro Trustee Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Central Florida Posts: 1,207	See the Movie Open Water Just saw it last night. What a 35 mm transfer! Didn't look bad at all for a blowup from mini dv Sony PD 150 and VX 2000.

August 30th, 2004, 06:10 PM	#50
Dylan Couper Wrangler Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia Posts: 8,314	was it scary? __________________ Need to rent camera gear in Vancouver BC? Check me out at camerarentalsvancouver.com

August 30th, 2004, 10:36 PM	#52
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August 30th, 2004, 10:48 PM	#53
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July 5th, 2004, 01:38 PM	#46
Luis Caffesse Major Player Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 704	I know numerous filmmakers who had the cost of marketing subtracted from the purchase price of the film. It is quite common. So, although the studio 'technically' covers the marketing, the cost is often times taken from the purchase price. I didn't mean to make it sound as if the filmmakers were actually responsible for the marketing of their own films, just the cost. So, a studio will say they bought a film for 5 million, but will spend much of that money on the marketing of the film. I'm not saying it's like that all the time, that's why I was asking about Open Water. I'm glad to hear that it wasn't the case this time. And, as far as Aranofsky goes, I"m not trying to say the guy got a bum deal. He did go on to make other films, and he's been rewarded handsomely for those. But, it's my understanding from people who know him personally that he did not see much monetary gain from PI (not to say that he didn't gain a hell of a career from it). But, you're right, it's all about having a good lawyer. -Luis

July 6th, 2004, 06:49 PM	#48
Bryan Mitchell Major Player Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 316	What cost them that much money? I can't see anything in there from the trailer.

August 30th, 2004, 06:32 PM	#51
Richard Alvarez Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: San Mateo, CA Posts: 3,840	Heck, as an open water diver myself... the concept is TERRIFYING. I have come up and not seen the boat before... and the pucker factor is unbeliveable. Turns out it was hidden by swells. Still, scary as hell. I plan on seeing the movie, but the previews I saw looked awful, in terms of transfer quality. Is the film better than the transfers?

August 31st, 2004, 05:35 PM	#54
Matt Elias Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: California Posts: 149	I look forward to seeing it, been hearing a lot about it for quite some time. A family friend who dives says that these things happen!

August 31st, 2004, 07:32 PM	#55
Shawn Mielke Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Santa Rosa, California Posts: 745	Is it thought provoking, or exploitational like Jaws? __________________ Breakthrough In Grey Room

August 31st, 2004, 09:08 PM	#56
Jesse Bekas Major Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Ridgefield Park, New Jersey, USA Posts: 572	It's not really thought provoking or exploitational. It's more like a "realisitic" character study in fear...and a lame one at that. I'm all for independent, and low budget films, but this one got bought because Lion's Gate knew if they could say "Blair Witch" and "Jaws" in the same tag line they'd make money. If you think being a diver will the make the film more relatable and frightening, you're wrong. There's virtually no suspense buildup. The act of being left behind is initially terrifyng, but loses it's scariness because the content (talking heads bickering) and pacing are so weak. The boat leaves them, they wait for it to return, and then they argue about for 96 minutes (running time) while floating around (not literally, but you get my point). Then there are a bunch of plot holes. When the ending's coming you can feel it, and are saying to yourself, "if the credits come up in a second, I'm going to be PISSED!", and then they do... I saw a lot of stair stepping in high contrast regions, and because of the huge amount of time at sea, without polarizers, there were a ton of blowouts. I almost felt like I was at the beach and needed polarized sunglasses. If that was the effect they were going for, then they achieved it, but it was really annoying. I'm sure pelnty of people will disagree with everything I just said, so remember before replying that I'm just stating my opinion on the film. I'm certainly not claiming it's doctrine.

August 31st, 2004, 11:49 PM	#57
Shawn Mielke Major Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Santa Rosa, California Posts: 745	Blair Witch meets Jaws, that is exactly what it looked and felt like upon viewing the trailer. And in the wake of reality tv shows. Hmmm...TTFN. __________________ Breakthrough In Grey Room

September 1st, 2004, 01:38 AM	#58
Jesse Bekas Major Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Ridgefield Park, New Jersey, USA Posts: 572	Although "Blair Witch" meets "Jaws" is a good tagline, the movie wasn't anywhere close for me...

September 1st, 2004, 10:29 AM	#59
Dylan Couper Wrangler Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia Posts: 8,314	I'll take a spoiler on how it ends if you don't mind. I'm not going to see it. Not because it sounds that scary, just because it doesn't sound like it's worth my $10. __________________ Need to rent camera gear in Vancouver BC? Check me out at camerarentalsvancouver.com

September 1st, 2004, 11:58 AM	#60
Jesse Bekas Major Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Ridgefield Park, New Jersey, USA Posts: 572	!!SPOILER ENDING!! SPOILER ALERT SPOILER ALERT SPOILER ALERT SPOILER ALERT SPOILER ALERT SPOILER ALERT SPOILER ALERT SPOILER ALERT SPOILER ALERT SPOILER ALERT SPOILER ALERT SPOILER ALERT SPOILER ALERT SPOILER ALERT SPOILER ALERT SPOILER ALERT SPOILER ALERT SPOILER ALERT The couple makes it through the day, but both have been bitten on their calves. The woman not as badly as the man. The night is "stormy" (complete blackness while they say things are touching them, accept when you hear thunder and then see flashes of daylight footage of them floating and sharks splashing). The morning comes, the boat captain realizes he left the couple and rallies troops for a search. The woman wakes up (who would sleep through those conditions?) to find her husband/boyfriend is dead. She lets go of his body, which floats away and gets pulled under and presumably eaten (why the sharks wouldn't have done it 12 hours earlier, or how he actually died is beyond me). The woman is alone and sees more active sharks. She takes off her gear and lets herself sink...credits roll. Writing it actually made it sound all right, but it defintely isn't.