Avast ye! Pirates of the Caribbean thoughts at DVinfo.net

Robert Knecht Schmidt · July 12th, 2003, 11:14 PM

(No spoilers)

Some neat characters, great acting by all, especially Johnny Depp, a tidy, lawful mythology, and special effects that served the story, rather than the other way around. Another hit out of the ball park for Terry Rossio and Ted Elliot, IMO. Will big bix office make it a grand slam? Can it even recoup its budget? What do you think?

Did anybody understand why Bootstrap's blood was needed? What was the deal there? After the end of the movie (and end of the credits--stay for the credits, if ye dare), whose blood is needed now?

And, was he really holding that apple through the whole swordfight?

Brad Simmons · July 13th, 2003, 02:26 AM

yarr matey!

This film has great reviews so far. I'm going to see it tomorrow.

Andrew Petrie · July 13th, 2003, 11:19 AM

I really enjoyed the flic. I haven't been able to say that about a big budget movie in quite some time. Good fun.

Imran Zaidi · July 13th, 2003, 12:04 PM

Yeah, a lot of fun to watch. I had no idea it was almost 2.5 hours long until I looked at my watch as I was walking out. Keeps you thoroughly entertained. Lots of twists and turns to keep you interested, and I usually don't like big budget movies much either.

Richard Alvarez · July 13th, 2003, 01:22 PM

Loved it. I was so afraid that it was going to be "Hidden Pirate Crouching canon" with wire harnesses and stuff...I was really pleased with the fight sequences.

The plot device with the blood line was a little confusing, but I plan to see it again and see if it makes more sense.

Josh Bass · July 13th, 2003, 02:06 PM

I thought it was pretty decent--it felt like it needed to be over a while earlier than it actually was. Without Depp, of course, it would have been worthless.

Imran Zaidi · July 13th, 2003, 03:00 PM

Also, for those of you who've been on the Pirates of the Caribbean ride at Disney, did you catch all the ride references? I loved the little easter eggs. Made it more entertaining, trying to pick out all the scenes from the animatronics on the ride.

Mark Moore · July 13th, 2003, 04:40 PM

Possible spoilers.

Just saw this and loved it!

The bloodline was a bit confusing, but it was my interpretation that Bootstrap's blood was needed because he somehow created the curse (this kind of blurred for me!).

After the credits - I don't think anyone's blood is needed, but the objects need to be put back together again.

[sniff, sniff] Anyone smell a sequel around here?

Christopher Go · July 15th, 2003, 04:10 AM

SPOILERS

The first time the pirates gather to become mortal again, Rush's character says a few lines that clear up the blood situation. To summarize, he asks all the pirates "Who here hasn't paid their bloodprice!?" to which everyone responds accordingly.

This means that all of them have spilled some blood on the coins as bloodprice. All except Bootstrap because they sent him to the bottom of the ocean before finding out that ALL of their blood was needed.

This is why Bloom's blood was required. This is also why, if you notice, Depp's character cuts his hand before throwing the coin he stole back to Bloom's character, William Turner.

In other words everyone had to spill some blood back but because they prematurely killed Bootstrap, his son was the only way they could be free.

As for the special ending the monkey's blood is all that is needed since everyone else paid their bloodprice (and since no one else stole any more gold)

But beware if you steal some! They should bury that chest, very dangerous. Then again, if it were me, I'd steal a coin, do what I want, then return it - time and time again!

Josh Bass · July 15th, 2003, 11:55 AM

But you'd be all dead and stuff, dude. No one wants to hire a dead cameraman, or whatever you happen to be. "How's his camerawork? Well, it's lifeless. Same for his acting, his directing, his cinematography. It's like he's dead or something." Plus you can't eat, probably don't sleep. . .it's just not worth it, dude. Stay away from the damn coins!

Robert Knecht Schmidt · July 15th, 2003, 12:33 PM

Christopher--thanks for clearing that up.

Christopher Go · July 16th, 2003, 01:17 AM

Yeah, it was odd to me at first too. You can miss Rush's line even if you're listening because it just sounds like a fancy speech. Interesting that the filmmakers hinged so much on just those few lines - I know lots of people who were confused too including myself.

Josh - If I do a bad job I won't have to fear retaliation from any producers or I could make a great stuntman!

Matt Elias · July 16th, 2003, 03:18 PM

Saw the movie on sunday, thought it was awesome. It goes to show that a PG-13 can still be a hell of a movie. There was still alot of action, and at times I wondered what how the lil tikes in the audience were handling it - especially when one of my buddies pointed out the phallic reference during a close up of Mr. Depp's hand gripping the steering wheel handle.

I saw the preview for Disney's next flick, The Haunted House, which leads me to believe that they're making infomercials out of all of the rides at Disneyland. Disney did this in the 50s on its TV segments, highlighting the new park's features. Not sure though how It's a Small World would pan out for a feature film. Can you imagine that song for 2 hours?!?

Imran Zaidi · July 16th, 2003, 03:36 PM

That's so horrible they just might do it.
*shudder*

K. Forman · July 16th, 2003, 03:56 PM

Josh- What makes you think that Hollywood cameramen HAVEN"T sold their soles, and become the living undead? I know the Producers have :)

July 12th, 2003, 11:14 PM	#1
Robert Knecht Schmidt Wrangler Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 1,933	Avast ye! Pirates of the Caribbean thoughts (No spoilers) Some neat characters, great acting by all, especially Johnny Depp, a tidy, lawful mythology, and special effects that served the story, rather than the other way around. Another hit out of the ball park for Terry Rossio and Ted Elliot, IMO. Will big bix office make it a grand slam? Can it even recoup its budget? What do you think? Did anybody understand why Bootstrap's blood was needed? What was the deal there? After the end of the movie (and end of the credits--stay for the credits, if ye dare), whose blood is needed now? And, was he really holding that apple through the whole swordfight? __________________ All the best, Robert K S Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| The best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors

July 13th, 2003, 11:19 AM	#3
Andrew Petrie Major Player Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: London, Ontario, Canada Posts: 484	I really enjoyed the flic. I haven't been able to say that about a big budget movie in quite some time. Good fun. __________________ Andrew \| Canon XL1s, ME66, Vinten Vision 3, GlideCam V16 (for sale!)

July 13th, 2003, 02:06 PM	#6
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	I thought it was pretty decent--it felt like it needed to be over a while earlier than it actually was. Without Depp, of course, it would have been worthless. __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB

July 13th, 2003, 04:40 PM	#8
Mark Moore Major Player Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: North Carolina Posts: 301	Possible spoilers. Just saw this and loved it! The bloodline was a bit confusing, but it was my interpretation that Bootstrap's blood was needed because he somehow created the curse (this kind of blurred for me!). After the credits - I don't think anyone's blood is needed, but the objects need to be put back together again. [sniff, sniff] Anyone smell a sequel around here? __________________ Mark Moore Sugar Free Productions

July 15th, 2003, 11:55 AM	#10
Josh Bass Slash Rules! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 5,472	But you'd be all dead and stuff, dude. No one wants to hire a dead cameraman, or whatever you happen to be. "How's his camerawork? Well, it's lifeless. Same for his acting, his directing, his cinematography. It's like he's dead or something." Plus you can't eat, probably don't sleep. . .it's just not worth it, dude. Stay away from the damn coins! __________________ The Bass' camerawork The Bass on IMDB

July 13th, 2003, 02:26 AM	#2
Brad Simmons Major Player Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Washington DC Posts: 304	yarr matey! This film has great reviews so far. I'm going to see it tomorrow.

July 13th, 2003, 12:04 PM	#4
Imran Zaidi Trustee Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 1,315	Yeah, a lot of fun to watch. I had no idea it was almost 2.5 hours long until I looked at my watch as I was walking out. Keeps you thoroughly entertained. Lots of twists and turns to keep you interested, and I usually don't like big budget movies much either.

July 13th, 2003, 01:22 PM	#5
Richard Alvarez Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: San Mateo, CA Posts: 3,840	Loved it. I was so afraid that it was going to be "Hidden Pirate Crouching canon" with wire harnesses and stuff...I was really pleased with the fight sequences. The plot device with the blood line was a little confusing, but I plan to see it again and see if it makes more sense.

July 13th, 2003, 03:00 PM	#7
Imran Zaidi Trustee Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 1,315	Also, for those of you who've been on the Pirates of the Caribbean ride at Disney, did you catch all the ride references? I loved the little easter eggs. Made it more entertaining, trying to pick out all the scenes from the animatronics on the ride.

July 15th, 2003, 04:10 AM	#9
Christopher Go Major Player Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Honolulu, HI Posts: 429	SPOILERS The first time the pirates gather to become mortal again, Rush's character says a few lines that clear up the blood situation. To summarize, he asks all the pirates "Who here hasn't paid their bloodprice!?" to which everyone responds accordingly. This means that all of them have spilled some blood on the coins as bloodprice. All except Bootstrap because they sent him to the bottom of the ocean before finding out that ALL of their blood was needed. This is why Bloom's blood was required. This is also why, if you notice, Depp's character cuts his hand before throwing the coin he stole back to Bloom's character, William Turner. In other words everyone had to spill some blood back but because they prematurely killed Bootstrap, his son was the only way they could be free. As for the special ending the monkey's blood is all that is needed since everyone else paid their bloodprice (and since no one else stole any more gold) But beware if you steal some! They should bury that chest, very dangerous. Then again, if it were me, I'd steal a coin, do what I want, then return it - time and time again!

July 15th, 2003, 12:33 PM	#11
Robert Knecht Schmidt Wrangler Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 1,933	Christopher--thanks for clearing that up. __________________ All the best, Robert K S Search DVinfo.net for quick answers \| The best in the business: DVinfo.net sponsors

July 16th, 2003, 01:17 AM	#12
Christopher Go Major Player Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Honolulu, HI Posts: 429	Yeah, it was odd to me at first too. You can miss Rush's line even if you're listening because it just sounds like a fancy speech. Interesting that the filmmakers hinged so much on just those few lines - I know lots of people who were confused too including myself. Josh - If I do a bad job I won't have to fear retaliation from any producers or I could make a great stuntman!

July 16th, 2003, 03:18 PM	#13
Matt Elias Regular Crew Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: California Posts: 149	Saw the movie on sunday, thought it was awesome. It goes to show that a PG-13 can still be a hell of a movie. There was still alot of action, and at times I wondered what how the lil tikes in the audience were handling it - especially when one of my buddies pointed out the phallic reference during a close up of Mr. Depp's hand gripping the steering wheel handle. I saw the preview for Disney's next flick, The Haunted House, which leads me to believe that they're making infomercials out of all of the rides at Disneyland. Disney did this in the 50s on its TV segments, highlighting the new park's features. Not sure though how It's a Small World would pan out for a feature film. Can you imagine that song for 2 hours?!?

July 16th, 2003, 03:36 PM	#14
Imran Zaidi Trustee Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 1,315	That's so horrible they just might do it. shudder

July 16th, 2003, 03:56 PM	#15
K. Forman Capt. Quirk Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Middle of the woods in Georgia Posts: 3,596	Josh- What makes you think that Hollywood cameramen HAVEN"T sold their soles, and become the living undead? I know the Producers have :)