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June 21st, 2006, 05:55 PM | #16 | |
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All reels are available to any project within liquid, so starting a new project does not reset the database at all. Instead it starts the project/render/fuse/timeline codec/aspect/resolution of the project. In our Media Composer Adrenalin machine the media management is very similar but the jargon is different.
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Of course on all the other MC based products (including Xpress line) deleting the media outside the program does not corrupt the database - instead the database automatically updates the next time you launch Avid, or if Avid is already open, when you highlight the application again. Perhaps that functionality will filter through to Liquid. |
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In the case at hand, my understanding is the tape was a multiple format tape (ie 24p & 30p on the same reel). This IS a problem because 24p timecode and 30p timecode are handled completely differently in Liquid. 24p is carried in a 59.94 data stream while 30p is carried in a 29.97 datastream. Furthermore, 24p is considered PAL by the system and of course 30p is considered NTSC. This is why it is not good practice to mix formats on the same tape. I tried it for myself with 30p and 60p on the same tape and got the same result. Once the system saw the NTSC and described the tape as NTSC-DF then the 60p went blank. So, what I gather from this experiment is to not mix formats on the same reel (ie Tape).
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All we are trying to do is to trick the software into thinking the media came off 2 different tapes. Should work - as to whether you can mix and match 24P and 30P in the same project - that's a question best left to you.
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As far as the TC being different -- both "24p" and "30p" timecodes are being displayed correctly when the tape plays in the Logging Tool. There are indeed both 24p and 30p on the same tape, but that is irrelevant to the camcorder and firewire. As long as I don't cross mode boundaries WHILE capturing -- I can't see it should make any difference. One day 24p comes up the firewire another day 30p comes up the firewire. And another day, DV comes up the firewire. However, the Logging Tool does seem to know if the camera is switched to DV or HDV because the Native Capture Mode switches from DV to M2V. So, there is the possibility that when it senses HDV it assumes 30p. But, if so, how did I capture 24p last week? If you are saying that a REEL name points to a reel database and that whatever is FIRST found on a tape is entered into the database -- that seems possible. 1) How does one see the information stored about a Reel? 2) I can find no way to delete a Reel! 3) Creating a new Reel makes no difference! 4) Creating a New Project makes no difference! One assumes one gets a clean set of Reels in a new project. So I'm inclined to discount the Reel theory. Which leaves me with the fact that despite the fact that Native mode is supposed to simply move the data to a file -- it is checking the Transport Stream data or the timecode data and saying this isn't correct. But, how would it know correct from incorrect? 1) In the EZ Capture Tool, I note that it recognizes the HDV camcorder as a JVC and claims it is NTSC and 29.97. Which is correct for both DV and M2V. Although I customized the FPS setting to 59.94 -- it ignores the change. What does your read-out say? 2) When I originally captured 24P I did not have the camcorder set to JVC. Can't remember what the default camcorder was, but it was not JVC. How do you know 24p is PAL? 3) It could look to see if the capture matches the current Sequence, but the Sequence is 24p so it shouldn't matter.
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If the FTP was up I could make a camtasia (again) of how media management works. You'll have to wait for that...
AFA 24p is concerned, I have had no problem getting it to recognize the the 24p and capture it as advertised on 8 installs (including the beta). So, New project, new reel gives the same results? How about this Steve. Capture the 24p m2t using CapDVHS directly to the hard drive (outside of the Liquid environment) and then import it into a rack using the import function with the autodetect framerate checkbox checked. Does it come in as 23.98 and populate your rack? If it imports blank and captures blank then I'd say reinstall because something is corrupt. S.Noe
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I'm hypothesising that Liquid can no longer do the necessesary frame extraction on a 24P source because it is now treating every 24P source as a 30P source, because you told it to! Either way, when Stephen gets a chance I think he has already managed to duplicate your problem: Quote:
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Also going to try both capture and import of 24p from my Focus drive. I know the import from the Focus worked because I still have the file and project and sequence. ++++++++++++++ Avid has so far not been able to describe a procedure that works to get a finished HD Sequence into an SD sequence so I can make a DVD or a DV tape. How do you get HDV to DV? I have been making a Container of my finished HDV sequence. Then I've tried two options -- neither works: 1) Copy the Container and Paste into an SD sequence. (Avid's suggestion.) The Paste appears to auto-crop the 1280x720 to 720x480. This seems reasonable, but Avid claims that the full 1280x720 image should be in the SD sequence and that I must use the 2D Editor to scale it to SD. Since it has already been cropped to SD, this doesn't work. 2) Use the 2D Editor on the Container to resize image to 720x480, render it all, and then Copy and Paste it into the SD sequence. If the Paste auto-crops -- this should work, as the desired 720x480 image is in the center of the 1280x720 frame. Amazingly, it seems to ignore the resize done on the Container and crops the ORIGINAL 1280x720 to 720x480. Perhaps I don't understand Containers and the resize of it really doesn't change the image. Meaning a Container isn't really like a Clip. Perhaps, Copying and Pasting isn't the right way to move HD Clips or an HD Container into an SD sequence. The document Avid sent me claims you "add HD clips to the SD timeline the way you usually do." But that document assumes you have HDV clips in a Rack, not in a finished HDV sequence. If I could drag a Container to a Rack that would help, but it won't move from a Sequence to a Rack. (Most NLEs let you do so.) Copy Range might work, but amazingly there is no Paste Range button on the Toolbar so no way to insert it. Paste doesn't work. Avid also describes a Right-click option on a clip, but Pinnacle Germany says the rescale is poor and to use a resize.
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I Captured another 24p tape to test it out again and it's AOK.
Coincidentally, Now Liquid list the 24p as HDFilm for the reel type. It used to say PAL as the reel type but now they've re-designated the 24p as HDFILM within the media management. Works flawlessly even with dumping the media and batch capturing off of timecode. NPF. Here is the screenshot. Obviously the 24p does not belong in my current project. BTW. There is only one way to delete a reel and that's by going into the media tab, highlighting the reel name and pressing the delete key. It will not only delete the reel but all associated timecode records and any linked media. It will wipe it from the system. S.Noe
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Under a Project, there are 6 "reels." 1) IMPORTED FILES0 (NTSC) -- which actually has both NTSC and 30p HDV. 2) IMPORTED FILES0 -- only 30p HDV 3) IMPORTED FILES0 (HDFILM(DF)) -- both 24p and 30p HDV 4) REEL -- only 30p HDV. 5) IMPORTED FILES0 (PAL) -- SmartSounds WAV file 6) FORMULA BMW NTSC (NTSC) -- the Avid NTSC demo video 7) Images -- the images I imported and the Avid demo images What I conclude from this is that if you use the EZ Capture Tool, Liquid generates a "reel" name: IMPORTED FILES0. While I did IMPORT some material from the Focus drive, some I CAPTURED. Thus, the name "IMPORTED" seems wrong. It also looks like it adds a tag (NTSC), (PAL), or (HDFILM(DF)). But it seems clear that these tags are not valid. If you use the Logging Tool, then it assigns a REEL as a default name. Or, you can create your own name -- although none of the reels I've created show-up! Sometimes a "Clip #" name is used. However, another type of clip name appears -- a series of digits. My guess is that these names are generated when a file is IMPORTED. My conclusion is that the MM system is a bit screwed-up.
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There are some things I'd like improved though (like Waveform and Vscope in the Logging tool for Live capture). Anyway, you can join me face to face in Charlotte during early November if you wish to.
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