HD100/200/250 and Avid Liquid 7.1 at DVinfo.net

Rogelio Salinas · April 28th, 2006, 09:49 AM

I had read on a previous thread that Liquid 7.1 will be able to handle JVC's PROHD, but will this also include the new 60P format or just 24P?

Stephen L. Noe · April 28th, 2006, 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rogelio Salinas

I had read on a previous thread that Liquid 7.1 will be able to handle JVC's PROHD, but will this also include the new 60P format or just 24P?

The short answer is yes to 60p.

Liquid is designed to work with HDV. Coincidentally, I've been thinking of producing some "seat of my pants" productions on HOW to edit ProHD for film, dvd, broadcast (HDV to (SP) BetaSP/DVCam & HDTV) and internet delivery (flv, wmv, divx, mp4, mpeg) with Liquid 7.1

I demonstrated the workflow for the Chicago user group and JVC in March using the BR-50 deck.

Simon Antoniou · April 28th, 2006, 10:23 AM

does it support PAL's 25p on the HD100E or HD101E?

Stephen L. Noe · April 28th, 2006, 10:28 AM

Yes,

I verfied the workflow for another user just last week. Capture, edit, dump to tape works for HDV25p and PAL as well.

S.Noe

Simon Antoniou · April 28th, 2006, 10:46 AM

What if I don’t want to dump to tape, just edit and down convert for DVD?

This is probably a stupid question, but im still learning.

Stephen L. Noe · April 28th, 2006, 10:57 AM

The question is valid. Liquid will scale the HDV to DVD 16x9.

This PDF is for Liquid 6 but alot of it still applies. Click Here

Simon Antoniou · April 28th, 2006, 11:05 AM

Thankyou for help

Steve Mullen · April 28th, 2006, 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen L. Noe

The short answer is yes to 60p.

Liquid is designed to work with HDV.

I was really impressed by the Liguid demo -- except for the typical Pinnacle software crash -- but was blown away when they said it didn't handle 24p or 24F.

Stephen L. Noe · April 28th, 2006, 05:49 PM

Liquid does handle 24p film workflow in HD(V) (capture, edit, output).

Liquid does not handle 24p in in DV (sorry DVX100 users).

Guy Barwood · April 28th, 2006, 06:44 PM

I don't think there is a 24p capture yet even with 7.1, but it will certainly import and edit 24p assets. The complete native workflow is definitely a heavily requested feature and Avid are aware of this.

"except for the typical Pinnacle software crash"
It is actually quite unusual for Liquid 7.1 to crash. Every NLE will crash as some stage, but I can edit with Liquid all day without a single crash. Luckily of course the only inconvenience with a crash and Liquid is the need to either reboot or start Liquid again, you'll never loose any work unlike all other NLEs. Don't forget crash's can be caused by many things other than the application itself.

If you are concerned about these minor issues, just use your SSF mentality and work around the minor idiosyncities...

Stephen L. Noe · April 28th, 2006, 07:00 PM

Have fun with this 24p workflow w/Liquid 7

Click here for video

all the best...

Steve Mullen · April 28th, 2006, 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guy Barwood

I don't think there is a 24p capture yet even with 7.1, but it will certainly import and edit 24p assets.

That's exactly what the Avid guy said. No capture of 24p or 24F. Which may also mean no export of 24p or 24F back to HDV.

But, Stephen says there is.

So we need a clarification on both capture and export from and to tape.

And, yes the crash did allow him to demonstrate that nothing is lost with a crash. Stephen, what's the reliability you experience with 7.1?

Guy Barwood · April 29th, 2006, 03:26 AM

"So we need a clarification on both capture and export from and to tape."
That is accurate. It is an file in/file out only process at the moment.

"Stephen, what's the reliability you experience with 7.1?"
Unless Stephen is a beta tester it is unlikely he will have 7.1 yet, it is yet to be formally released. We really aren't meant to openly discuss it yet. I have probably already said too much even if it was positive.

Steve Mullen · April 29th, 2006, 05:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guy Barwood

It is an file in/file out only process at the moment.

Which makes it as useless as everything else, but CineForm with Premiere Pro and Canopus EDIUS (especially V4 coming next month).

No capture -- no edit.

Guy Barwood · April 29th, 2006, 05:46 AM

Not really, from what I have heard you just capture with DVHS. Import the assets and edit native.

It's no different to my DV workflow where I always capture with Scenelyzer Live and import to Liquid (done it this way since using Premiere 6).

It's a process that is quick and easy and doesn't compromise any of your footage or quality like other apparently acceptable issues in some products everyone is so happy to just accept.

April 28th, 2006, 09:49 AM	#1
Rogelio Salinas Regular Crew Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 75	HD100/200/250 and Avid Liquid 7.1 I had read on a previous thread that Liquid 7.1 will be able to handle JVC's PROHD, but will this also include the new 60P format or just 24P?

April 28th, 2006, 07:00 PM	#11
Stephen L. Noe Trustee Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,214	Have fun with this 24p workflow w/Liquid 7 Click here for video all the best... Last edited by Stephen L. Noe; April 28th, 2006 at 08:20 PM.

April 28th, 2006, 10:23 AM	#3
Simon Antoniou Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 73	does it support PAL's 25p on the HD100E or HD101E?

April 28th, 2006, 10:28 AM	#4
Stephen L. Noe Trustee Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,214	Yes, I verfied the workflow for another user just last week. Capture, edit, dump to tape works for HDV25p and PAL as well. S.Noe

April 28th, 2006, 10:46 AM	#5
Simon Antoniou Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 73	What if I don’t want to dump to tape, just edit and down convert for DVD? This is probably a stupid question, but im still learning.

April 28th, 2006, 10:57 AM	#6
Stephen L. Noe Trustee Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,214	The question is valid. Liquid will scale the HDV to DVD 16x9. This PDF is for Liquid 6 but alot of it still applies. Click Here

April 28th, 2006, 11:05 AM	#7
Simon Antoniou Regular Crew Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 73	Thankyou for help

April 28th, 2006, 05:49 PM	#9
Stephen L. Noe Trustee Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,214	Liquid does handle 24p film workflow in HD(V) (capture, edit, output). Liquid does not handle 24p in in DV (sorry DVX100 users).

April 28th, 2006, 06:44 PM	#10
Guy Barwood Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 423	I don't think there is a 24p capture yet even with 7.1, but it will certainly import and edit 24p assets. The complete native workflow is definitely a heavily requested feature and Avid are aware of this. "except for the typical Pinnacle software crash" It is actually quite unusual for Liquid 7.1 to crash. Every NLE will crash as some stage, but I can edit with Liquid all day without a single crash. Luckily of course the only inconvenience with a crash and Liquid is the need to either reboot or start Liquid again, you'll never loose any work unlike all other NLEs. Don't forget crash's can be caused by many things other than the application itself. If you are concerned about these minor issues, just use your SSF mentality and work around the minor idiosyncities...

April 29th, 2006, 03:26 AM	#13
Guy Barwood Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 423	"So we need a clarification on both capture and export from and to tape." That is accurate. It is an file in/file out only process at the moment. "Stephen, what's the reliability you experience with 7.1?" Unless Stephen is a beta tester it is unlikely he will have 7.1 yet, it is yet to be formally released. We really aren't meant to openly discuss it yet. I have probably already said too much even if it was positive.

April 29th, 2006, 05:46 AM	#15
Guy Barwood Major Player Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 423	Not really, from what I have heard you just capture with DVHS. Import the assets and edit native. It's no different to my DV workflow where I always capture with Scenelyzer Live and import to Liquid (done it this way since using Premiere 6). It's a process that is quick and easy and doesn't compromise any of your footage or quality like other apparently acceptable issues in some products everyone is so happy to just accept.