Editing Software -- Avid or MediaStudio at DVinfo.net

Tim Anstine · March 2nd, 2006, 11:45 AM

Greetings!

I just installed my firewire iLink cable and my video is capturing to the computer just fine.

Now, which software should I purchase to edit my HDV?

I'm demoing Ulead's MedieStudio Pro 8, but see that Avid Liquid is also highly recommended.

Your help is most appreciated!

Tim

Jason Burkhimer · March 2nd, 2006, 11:49 AM

Sony Vegas. very easy to learn, powerful software. edit superfast with vegas. Thats right....Sony Vegas. </sales pitch>

Seriously, I've used vegas for the past three years, and its great.

Steven Davis · March 2nd, 2006, 11:59 AM

Vegas................is there an echo in here?

Jason Burkhimer · March 2nd, 2006, 01:30 PM

Vegas................is there an echo in here?

Richard Alvarez · March 2nd, 2006, 01:34 PM

What is your primary interest in productions? Short films? Wedding/event? Documentaries? Music Videos?

Every NLE has it's strength and weaknesses. If you want a more objective assesment of your needs, it would help to let us know what your goals are.

I edit on AVID because I need the ability to cut and conform FILM, also to transfer my video projects seamlessly to finishing suites. I also cut a lot of long form documentary work, for which Avid's media management is unsurpassed. But none of this might be of use to you.

So help us out here, or you'll just get. "Cut what I cut on, IT'S GREAT!"

Tim Anstine · March 2nd, 2006, 03:42 PM

Thanks for the input.

I will mainly use this for home use, but do want to edit, splice, add music, etc...

I read that Son't Vegas requires several add-ons, but maybe this isn't true.

Thanks again!

Richard Alvarez · March 2nd, 2006, 03:57 PM

Tim,

You'll need to list your system specs as well, as some NLE's have different requirements from others.

What's your processor? Motherboard? Drive configuration? Graphics card? Soundcard? Etc.

The more you list, the better the chance of finding a compatible fit.

From your description of interests, I'm thinking Avid is a bit of overkill.

Kevin Spotts · March 2nd, 2006, 05:05 PM

I've been using MediaStudio Pro for about 6 years now, and I love it as an editor. I'm still on version 7, so if the items I've listed below have been corrected in version 8, let me know. I really like MSP's editing toolset, and the work-flow makes sense to me. There are however, a few drawbacks to the system that would drive most people nuts.

1) I've never been completely satisfied with the color correction tools in MediaStudio Pro. I think most other NLE's have a much more powerful color-correction capabilities.

2) Audio filters cut off at the end of clips. For example, lets say you wanted to add reverb on to a clip. That's easy enough to do, however the echo will abruptly cutoff at the end of the clip instead of decaying naturally. This can be pretty annoying.

3) You can't loop an audio clip while you tweak the parameters of an audio filter. You have to tweak the settings, and then hit the preview button. Its a few extra mouse clicks that I usually don't feel like dealing with.

As a result of some of the quirks in MediaStudio Pro's audio toolset (items #2 and #3 above), I usually end up tweaking my audio (EQ, track compressors, etc.) in another application, such as Sony's ACID. For me, this works because I write my own soundtracks so I would end up bringing the movie into ACID anyway. For others, this wouldn't make sense. Its extra time, aggravation, and $$$ for another application.

Since you have the demo, you may want to take some time to play around to see if the items above will cause major headaches for you. If you can live with the drawbacks, and you're happy with the editting toolset, then MediaStudio Pro might be the right NLE for you.

By the way, if they're enabled in the demo, play with some of the "smart" functions. There's some cool little toys in there that are, as far as I know, unique to MediaStudio Pro.

Good luck!

Danny Fye · March 3rd, 2006, 11:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Anstine

Greetings!

I just installed my firewire iLink cable and my video is capturing to the computer just fine.

Now, which software should I purchase to edit my HDV?

I'm demoing Ulead's MedieStudio Pro 8, but see that Avid Liquid is also highly recommended.

Your help is most appreciated!

Tim

About a month ago I went from Ulead's MediaStudio Pro 8 to Sony Vegas. Editing in Vegas is infinitely better than MSP8 and unmeasurably better than MSP7. There are a ton of time-savers in Vegas.

One of my biggest problems was to learn to stop trying to do things the hard way and learn how to do them the easy way.

Editing is now fun to do. I can't recommend Sony Vegas enough. I am so glad I switched.

Note: Vegas is not perfect though. Yes, I had a few minor issues but some were actually me, some were simply learning to do things differently and some were Vegas itself. Still, there are a lot more positives than negatives.

Do yourself a favor and download the trial version and give it a work-out.

Add my echo to Vegas!!!

Danny Fye
www.dannyfye.com

Chris Barcellos · March 4th, 2006, 01:04 AM

If you like Ulead's interface and feel-- you probably will have difficulty with the Vegas interface. Try trials or Vegas Movie Studio +DVD Platinum ($100)first, before commiting big bucks.

Danny Fye · March 4th, 2006, 04:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Barcellos

If you like Ulead's interface and feel-- you probably will have difficulty with the Vegas interface. Try trials or Vegas Movie Studio +DVD Platinum ($100)first, before commiting big bucks.

I thought I would have difficulty and I did have a little bit for sure but I had much less difficulty than I ever thought I would.

As for me, I do have a learning disability (I am on SSI disability) in that it is very difficult for me to learn new things. So I was really concerned about going from MSP8 to Vegas. Yet, Vegas is so easy to learn that even I was able to do it. I did full projects with Vegas two days after I got it. That's how easy it is to learn.

I have a lot more to learn yet especially when it comes to doing real fancy editing but so far with each thing I learn I am amazed at how easy most of it is. Naturally there are certain things that will take more effort but with all the free tutorials and other helpful information out there I don't think that will be much of a problem.

Right now I am getting used to the short-cuts that make things easier. Once I get solid on the basics the intermediate and advanced stuff will fall in place.

I figure that if I, a person who has difficulty in learning new things can learn Vegas so fast that anyone out there can.

I wouldn't go with the lesser versions. I think it is much better to go with the full version and get all of the important features especially the ability to use scripts to help automate things.

So with that, I am off to edit another project.

Danny Fye
www.dannyfye.com

March 2nd, 2006, 11:45 AM	#1
Tim Anstine Tourist Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Boise Idaho Posts: 2	Editing Software -- Avid or MediaStudio Greetings! I just installed my firewire iLink cable and my video is capturing to the computer just fine. Now, which software should I purchase to edit my HDV? I'm demoing Ulead's MedieStudio Pro 8, but see that Avid Liquid is also highly recommended. Your help is most appreciated! Tim

March 2nd, 2006, 03:42 PM	#6
Tim Anstine Tourist Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Boise Idaho Posts: 2	Thanks Thanks for the input. I will mainly use this for home use, but do want to edit, splice, add music, etc... I read that Son't Vegas requires several add-ons, but maybe this isn't true. Thanks again!

March 2nd, 2006, 05:05 PM	#8
Kevin Spotts New Boot Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 8	I've been using MediaStudio Pro for about 6 years now, and I love it as an editor. I'm still on version 7, so if the items I've listed below have been corrected in version 8, let me know. I really like MSP's editing toolset, and the work-flow makes sense to me. There are however, a few drawbacks to the system that would drive most people nuts. 1) I've never been completely satisfied with the color correction tools in MediaStudio Pro. I think most other NLE's have a much more powerful color-correction capabilities. 2) Audio filters cut off at the end of clips. For example, lets say you wanted to add reverb on to a clip. That's easy enough to do, however the echo will abruptly cutoff at the end of the clip instead of decaying naturally. This can be pretty annoying. 3) You can't loop an audio clip while you tweak the parameters of an audio filter. You have to tweak the settings, and then hit the preview button. Its a few extra mouse clicks that I usually don't feel like dealing with. As a result of some of the quirks in MediaStudio Pro's audio toolset (items #2 and #3 above), I usually end up tweaking my audio (EQ, track compressors, etc.) in another application, such as Sony's ACID. For me, this works because I write my own soundtracks so I would end up bringing the movie into ACID anyway. For others, this wouldn't make sense. Its extra time, aggravation, and $$$ for another application. Since you have the demo, you may want to take some time to play around to see if the items above will cause major headaches for you. If you can live with the drawbacks, and you're happy with the editting toolset, then MediaStudio Pro might be the right NLE for you. By the way, if they're enabled in the demo, play with some of the "smart" functions. There's some cool little toys in there that are, as far as I know, unique to MediaStudio Pro. Good luck! __________________ Kevin Spotts S&N Films

March 4th, 2006, 01:04 AM	#10
Chris Barcellos Inner Circle Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Elk Grove CA Posts: 6,838	My Prediction If you like Ulead's interface and feel-- you probably will have difficulty with the Vegas interface. Try trials or Vegas Movie Studio +DVD Platinum ($100)first, before commiting big bucks. __________________ Chris J. Barcellos

March 2nd, 2006, 11:49 AM	#2
Jason Burkhimer Major Player Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Virginia Beach, VA Posts: 220	Sony Vegas. very easy to learn, powerful software. edit superfast with vegas. Thats right....Sony Vegas. </sales pitch> Seriously, I've used vegas for the past three years, and its great.

March 2nd, 2006, 11:59 AM	#3
Steven Davis Inner Circle Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 3,065	Vegas................is there an echo in here? __________________ What happens if I push the 'Red' button?

March 2nd, 2006, 01:30 PM	#4
Jason Burkhimer Major Player Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Virginia Beach, VA Posts: 220	Vegas................is there an echo in here?

March 2nd, 2006, 01:34 PM	#5
Richard Alvarez Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: San Mateo, CA Posts: 3,840	What is your primary interest in productions? Short films? Wedding/event? Documentaries? Music Videos? Every NLE has it's strength and weaknesses. If you want a more objective assesment of your needs, it would help to let us know what your goals are. I edit on AVID because I need the ability to cut and conform FILM, also to transfer my video projects seamlessly to finishing suites. I also cut a lot of long form documentary work, for which Avid's media management is unsurpassed. But none of this might be of use to you. So help us out here, or you'll just get. "Cut what I cut on, IT'S GREAT!"

March 2nd, 2006, 03:57 PM	#7
Richard Alvarez Inner Circle Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: San Mateo, CA Posts: 3,840	Tim, You'll need to list your system specs as well, as some NLE's have different requirements from others. What's your processor? Motherboard? Drive configuration? Graphics card? Soundcard? Etc. The more you list, the better the chance of finding a compatible fit. From your description of interests, I'm thinking Avid is a bit of overkill.